detlef Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 It's on the ballot here in NC for May. Just curious, what, exactly, is the argument for the ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 The gheys will morally corrupt our society. Marriage is only for a man and a woman. Its a slippery slope.... then what you going to do) let a gay marry three women or a goat? Adam and eve, not adam and steve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady.hawke Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Seriously? The USA is nearly bankrupt and on the brink of survival. And you have time to contemplate this? Just vote NO, only because administering this will cost you more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Just curious, what, exactly, is the argument for the ban? There isn't one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Seriously? The USA is nearly bankrupt and on the brink of survival. And you have time to contemplate this? Just vote NO, only because administering this will cost you more money. and we all know that basic human rights isn't worth the investment. just look at Iraq and Afganistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Seriously? The USA is nearly bankrupt and on the brink of survival. And you have time to contemplate this? Just vote NO, only because administering this will cost you more money. Exactly, with all the crap going on, why are these a-holes trying to waste everyone's time by trying to pass this amendment? And if you don't think gay marriages would be outstanding for the economy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 If the State wants to be involved in the business of recognizing marriage at all, then it should also recognize same-sex marriage IMO. When it comes from the State it is not a moral issue it is a contractual issue. Churches are where we should debate the morality of homosexual vs. heterosexual marriages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 If the State wants to be involved in the business of recognizing marriage at all, then it should also recognize same-sex marriage IMO. When it comes from the State it is not a moral issue it is a contractual issue. Churches are where we should debate the morality of homosexual vs. heterosexual marriages. You make far too much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke'em ttg Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 the turkey baster was the turning point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 There isn't one. Agreed. If the State wants to be involved in the business of recognizing marriage at all, then it should also recognize same-sex marriage IMO. When it comes from the State it is not a moral issue it is a contractual issue. Churches are where we should debate the morality of homosexual vs. heterosexual marriages. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Can we ban heterosexual marriage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I'd simply like to have my marriage recognized. After spending $9500 in attorney fees fighting immigration , I still don't have the blessing of this fine country to permit my wife to stay here. She came here 16 months ago , married for 9 months now and they are threatening to deport her , lol. If a man can marry a man, then i should be allowed to marry a Russian, no ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 If the State wants to be involved in the business of recognizing marriage at all, then it should also recognize same-sex marriage IMO. When it comes from the State it is not a moral issue it is a contractual issue. Churches are where we should debate the morality of homosexual vs. heterosexual marriages. Completely agree and churches should be free to conduct gay marriages or not, according to their own judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I'd simply like to have my marriage recognized. After spending $9500 in attorney fees fighting immigration , I still don't have the blessing of this fine country to permit my wife to stay here. She came here 16 months ago , married for 9 months now and they are threatening to deport her , lol. If a man can marry a man, then i should be allowed to marry a Russian, no ? Pocs would help us answer that question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 This issue should have been put to bed years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 This issue should have been put to bed years ago. except that the initiatives are voted down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 except that the initiatives are voted down If in one fell swoop the country as a whole went one way or the exact opposite, status quo or new direction, this debate will still rage as a political issue for another decade or two before it dies down. Neither side will let the other be. Past legislative efforts do not matter to either side. Neither side is ready for a last word on this issue. Sad really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 If in one fell swoop the country as a whole went one way or the exact opposite, status quo or new direction, this debate will still rage as a political issue for another decade or two before it dies down. Neither side will let the other be. Past legislative efforts do not matter to either side. Neither side is ready for a last word on this issue. Sad really. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 The only real reason I've seen from people who don't want to see married gays at Disneyworld is, "I don't like it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 If in one fell swoop the country as a whole went one way or the exact opposite, status quo or new direction, this debate will still rage as a political issue for another decade or two before it dies down. Neither side will let the other be. Past legislative efforts do not matter to either side. Neither side is ready for a last word on this issue. Sad really. i agree..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 If in one fell swoop the country as a whole went one way or the exact opposite, status quo or new direction, this debate will still rage as a political issue for another decade or two before it dies down. Neither side will let the other be. Past legislative efforts do not matter to either side. Neither side is ready for a last word on this issue. Sad really. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. But "not let the other side be" or "ready for a last word" sort of sounds like a trivialization of one sides rather legitimate quest for equality. I would imagine that any of us, if faced with a constant attack on our rights, would also "not let the other side be". I can't say for sure, but I'd like to think that, were gays granted equal rights, they'd "let the other side be". I can certainly say this, if the solution was as Savage Beatings suggests and the states just got out of the marriage game and simply recognized legal unions between consenting adults and let churches define marriage as they liked (which is exactly how I feel it should be handled), I would not be an ally to any gay person who tried to fight any church to recognize their marriage. It also happens that every gay person I've spoken to would be more than happy to let churches define marriage as they pleased and would simply not choose to join that church. It would be a logical solution, but unfortunately, likely not good enough for a side that seems hell bent on defining a sector of our society as wrong and beneath the rest of us. But that's not two sides refusing to let the other be. That's one side hell-bent on attacking the other and the other refusing to lie down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 If a man can marry a man, then i should be allowed to marry a Russian, no ? Russians are an inferior race. Even Hitler knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 If the State wants to be involved in the business of recognizing marriage at all, then it should also recognize same-sex marriage IMO. When it comes from the State it is not a moral issue it is a contractual issue. Churches are where we should debate the morality of homosexual vs. heterosexual marriages. I agree with the right-wing religious lunatic (in this case, at least). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Russians are an inferior race. Having had some "experience" with a Russian, I can categorically tell you there was nothing at all inferior about her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Seriously? The USA is nearly bankrupt and on the brink of survival. And you have time to contemplate this? Exactly. C'Mon people, let's stick with the important topics. You know, like birth certificates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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