Zestmon Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I think 20 roster spots is about perfect for this format. However, as MikesVikes said, the train has left the station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 If I am reading correctly, you guys went full circle and want it to remain the same. I'd still like 24-25 spots. However, I think the confusion comes from the fact that nobody from on-high weighed in as to whether or not expanding the number of rounds was doable, and so some of the owners in the league have made decisions based on this being an 18 rounder and would like to not see the draft extended. So, I'm fine either way. Thanks for doing this, DMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I draft in a 8 man league every year. Actually 16 person league with two 8 man drafts each. I know that my team here isn't as tremendous as it is in my local league each year. And to look at each roster and to determine which team you think would win, good luck with that. Adding to the roster size would create the same effect as having waivers through out the season. I will be the first one to say, that I don't know which RB or WR will move up three places on the depth chart and become a stud. Figure each team has 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs, and 2 TEs along with kickers. That's 416 players. 416 divide by 8 is 52 per roster. There you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I'd still like 24-25 spots. However, I think the confusion comes from the fact that nobody from on-high weighed in as to whether or not expanding the number of rounds was doable, and so some of the owners in the league have made decisions based on this being an 18 rounder and would like to not see the draft extended. So, I'm fine either way. Thanks for doing this, DMD. Well put. I woud like a longer draft as it means more fun for this league since it's all we can really do, but if some people would feel that they are being given a disadvantage if it was extended then that is a valid reason not to extend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 ...and, I'd made decisions expecting the draft to continue... ...alas... No perfect solution exists; I'm happy to play the role of 'martyr' on this issue ... and still kick your arse anyhow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I'd still like 24-25 spots. However, I think the confusion comes from the fact that nobody from on-high weighed in as to whether or not expanding the number of rounds was doable, and so some of the owners in the league have made decisions based on this being an 18 rounder and would like to not see the draft extended. So, I'm fine either way. Thanks for doing this, DMD. I agree. Would prefer to extend rosters but since this league is free, I'm not going to argue too heavily in favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I draft in a 8 man league every year. Actually 16 person league with two 8 man drafts each. I know that my team here isn't as tremendous as it is in my local league each year. And to look at each roster and to determine which team you think would win, good luck with that. Adding to the roster size would create the same effect as having waivers through out the season. I will be the first one to say, that I don't know which RB or WR will move up three places on the depth chart and become a stud. Figure each team has 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs, and 2 TEs along with kickers. That's 416 players. 416 divide by 8 is 52 per roster. There you go. That's exactly why we should want the expanded rosters. With the limited bench, if a few players go down with injury, you're screwed. Larger rosters will help with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 A really quick and fair way to settle this is to have a vote. 5 votes gets their way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Company of Heroes Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 That's exactly why we should want the expanded rosters. With the limited bench, if a few players go down with injury, you're screwed. Larger rosters will help with that. Except that if I knew rosters could support more than 10 RB/WR, I would have waited alot longer to draft Defs & Ks & backup QBs & TEs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 ...and, I'd made decisions expecting the draft to continue... ...alas... No perfect solution exists; I'm happy to play the role of 'martyr' on this issue ... and still kick your arse anyhow! But I don't see that as a reason to take a kicker earlier than anybody else. Was that a factor in doing that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Company of Heroes Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 ...and, I'd made decisions expecting the draft to continue... ...alas... No perfect solution exists; I'm happy to play the role of 'martyr' on this issue ... and still kick your arse anyhow! Only difference was the league was set to 16 roster spots, and it was unclear if there was enough support for a change or if it such a change would be feasible or approved. I am pretty sure I'll get my arse kicked this season either way with my questionable RBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Except that if I knew rosters could support more than 10 RB/WR, I would have waited alot longer to draft Defs & Ks & backup QBs & TEs. I would have as well, and yet would be fine with expanding the rosters. I took the first D off the board but did so because I figured, it was sort of a funky league so I'd just as soon as root for my favorite team's D (who happens to be bad-ass). I think 20 is a fine mid-point. Here's how I see it in generall 1) This is the kind of thing that should typically need a unaimous vote 2) This is, none the less, a free league that pay, what? A $25 prize to the winner only. So it's not like anyone is risking anything. 3) That means, both the side that claims they're being disadvantaged because they drafted a certain way and those who are afraid that this might be decided by luck because rosters aren't deep enough to withstand injuries should be reminded that nobody is wagering anything here. With that in mind, I'd personally love it if we went to 20 and think we have the votes to expand, unless someone really, truly has a beef with that. Then I say, screw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 <snip> I took the first D off the board <snip> No you didn't. I took the 1st and the 3rd DEF's off the board at picks 10.01 and 13.08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I agree ... 20 spots should be a sufficient compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I would have as well, and yet would be fine with expanding the rosters. I took the first D off the board but did so because I figured, it was sort of a funky league so I'd just as soon as root for my favorite team's D (who happens to be bad-ass). I think 20 is a fine mid-point. Here's how I see it in generall 1) This is the kind of thing that should typically need a unaimous vote 2) This is, none the less, a free league that pay, what? A $25 prize to the winner only. So it's not like anyone is risking anything. 3) That means, both the side that claims they're being disadvantaged because they drafted a certain way and those who are afraid that this might be decided by luck because rosters aren't deep enough to withstand injuries should be reminded that nobody is wagering anything here. With that in mind, I'd personally love it if we went to 20 and think we have the votes to expand, unless someone really, truly has a beef with that. Then I say, screw it. Sounds good to me. 20 is a good compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 No you didn't. I took the 1st and the 3rd DEF's off the board at picks 10.01 and 13.08. Oops, missed that. At any rate, we both took Ds off the board earlier than anyone and, are none the less, happy with expanding to 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White lightning Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 This may have been commented on, but how did MJD last till the 5th round? The comments from MJD today were positive and I think he's back in camp by week one. I must be in the minority here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zestmon Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I'm against changing rules mid-draft out of principle. With that said, I'll agree to the 20 roster spot compromise, but won't be making any further picks until the issue is settled. Is a change in roster spots mid-draft even permitted in the system we are using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Company of Heroes Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I'm against changing rules mid-draft out of principle. With that said, I'll agree to the 20 roster spot compromise, but won't be making any further picks until the issue is settled. Is a change in roster spots mid-draft even permitted in the system we are using? I basically agree with this but think any vote or change considered should be done at the end of a round not in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 This may have been commented on, but how did MJD last till the 5th round? The comments from MJD today were positive and I think he's back in camp by week one. I must be in the minority here. The 5th round happened yesterday when things were sounding pretty bleak. Also, 5th round in a 8 team league ~ 3rd round in a 12 team league, so it's not as late as it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) I never knew that actually changing it was an option. How about a two round "supplemental" draft after this one is done? BUT I will say that replacing your first round stud that goes down for the year with a RB you drafted in the 20th round probably isn't going to be the insurance tha you are all looking for. There's a reason that teams don't play their 3rd or 4th best one and it's probably because they aren't as good. And if somebody picks off the correct depth chart Nd somebody else picks off the wrong one, does that show who is better at drafting or who is still luckier? (I typed this on my phone while I was in the car wash. My car was in dry mode and I didn't edit at the time.) Edited August 24, 2012 by MikesVikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Company of Heroes Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 It was pick #39, and I was very happy MJD was there. BUT, 8 teamer is different because most teams already had better starting RBs at that point and were addressing other starting positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I'll not make my 2nd pick after the preselect I have entered gets made (hopefully) so this matter can get settled. Zestmon, make your pick ... the draft will stop at the end of this round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Company of Heroes Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Sounds good. Let's finish this round and vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I never knew that actually changing it was an option. How about a two round "supplemental" draft after this one is done? BUT I will say that replacing your first round stud that goes down for the year with a RB you drafted in the 20th round probably isn't going to be the insurance tha you are all looking for. There's a reason that teams don't play their 3rd or 4th best one and it's probably because they aren't as good. And if somebody picks off the correct depth chart Nd somebody else picks off the wrong one, does that show who is better at drafting or who is still luckier? I don't think that's the case. Rather, just enough depth so that nobody is starting zeros at any positions come December. Hell, you never draft 2 Kickers, but it'd be nice to have one in this league. Say your kicker blows an ACL in week 2? You're giving up 5-10 pts a week every week from that point on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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