Zestmon Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I am adding two more rounds. Enjoy. Thank you DMD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White lightning Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Yeah but he was healthy when the season started. I'm saying MJD will get injured within the first two or so games due to lack of preparation. I don't know exactly why I feel this, but I guess I'm just not feeling MJD this year. I think Jennings will be much more effective for them in the long run this year. You say you wouldn't take MJD until the 5th because the risk of his holdout making him more injury prone is outweighed by the potential for reward. But then you go ahead and take AP at 20???? The guy is 9 months removed from a major knee surgery which takes rbs in the past 1-2 years to come back from. Different strokes I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 You say you wouldn't take MJD until the 5th because the risk of his holdout making him more injury prone is outweighed by the potential for reward. But then you go ahead and take AP at 20???? The guy is 9 months removed from a major knee surgery which takes rbs in the past 1-2 years to come back from. Different strokes I guess. I wouldn't have taken AP over MJD. In fact, where I'm prepared to take AP assures I won't be getting him. Again, what a difference a day makes. Hell, look at the huddle rankings. Wednesday was all gloom and doom for MJD. That was the day the owner came out and said, "train's leaving" and MJD said, "trade me". It was enough for DMD to drop him to like 28 or something on the RB rankings. Next day, MJD shows like he's ready to talk, and he's back up to 18. Frankly, that's where he should be because, "talk" might mean MJD is still looking for a new contract but just for less than before. For all we know, Jax has no interest in extending him. That was the day we drafted. I would have taken him at 5 myself, but Lynch was there (also thought he fell) and, again, this was the day when things looked darkest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 You say you wouldn't take MJD until the 5th because the risk of his holdout making him more injury prone is outweighed by the potential for reward. But then you go ahead and take AP at 20???? The guy is 9 months removed from a major knee surgery which takes rbs in the past 1-2 years to come back from. Different strokes I guess. Yeah it might seem hypocritical but I have a soft spot for AP. And he is in camp, practicing, and not having any setbacks. He is expected to play maybe even start week 1. And it fit into my strategy since I wanted a few low-risk true studs early ( Fitzgerald and Aaron Rodgers) and then I wanted a guy who has tremendous upside, which at the time I saw in AP. I do see your point though. Again, I guess I just have bad, eerie feeling about MJD this year in my guy, and I listen to my gut a good amount when it comes draft time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Muck has about an hour and 8 minutes to pick or he's going to get the ADP pick and it's probably going to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Out of my morning commitments; pick will be coming shortly. :baitedbreath: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Yeah it might seem hypocritical but I have a soft spot for AP. And he is in camp, practicing, and not having any setbacks. He is expected to play maybe even start week 1. And it fit into my strategy since I wanted a few low-risk true studs early ( Fitzgerald and Aaron Rodgers) and then I wanted a guy who has tremendous upside, which at the time I saw in AP. I do see your point though. Again, I guess I just have bad, eerie feeling about MJD this year in my guy, and I listen to my gut a good amount when it comes draft time Dude, I hear you. I'll believe everything is cool in MJD land once I hear someone from the team say it's all good. Becasue it defies logic to extend him beyond the next two years for any kind of money that he's likely demanding, I just don't see it happening. So, unless his version of "everything will be fine" equates to "I'm going to cave and report to play out the last two years of my contract", I don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White lightning Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I do see your point though. Again, I guess I just have bad, eerie feeling about MJD this year in my guy, and I listen to my gut a good amount when it comes draft time Fair enough, just keep your negative vibes away from MJD because I'm hoping to land him on the cheap this weekend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) Zestmon has Back to back picks. He was on it. I've seen people make one of two picks then leave for hours between the picks. This draft was smooth as I predicted. :tu: Edited August 24, 2012 by MikesVikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I'm done ... and am feeling pretty good about it. Three of my top 10 QBs ... two of my top 6 PKs ... two of my top 3 DEFs ... three of my top 17 RBs ... and three of my top 17 WRs ... not a fan of my TEs though ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I like my team. Having two kickers and defenses are great because each week your team has in-house competition to provide points for your team. With Gronk on the team competing with my better receivers and backs As a starter, my onlr regret is not having a 2nd top TE to boost Gronk up into that competition to start. A 3rd TE would've been nice but the rules were changed too late in the program and I also decided to have a large stable on RBs and WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I REALLY like my team. If my stud RBs remain healthy all season, my team should be in the upper tier without question. Of course, I'm sure we all believe that. By my rankings here's how I rate my team: Highlights: Two top 5 RBs (Foster and Murray) An elite QB - provided there is no soph slump - who can potentially be the best QB with his rushing TDs. My 2 backups have potential for top 10 as they've proved by past performance. Three TEs in the top 7. This allows me to gain an edge at one of the skill positions. With no Gronk or Graham, I should be consistently near the top for TEs this season. Three WRs who are their teams #1 WR with two of those WRs having elite QBs throwing to them (Rodgers>Jennings, Brees>Colston). I added enough depth at WR for a few sleepers to creep into the top 15. Considering I drafted my first WR in round 5, I think I tailored my WR unit pretty well. Concerns: Only 4 RBs in total with two of them being backups (Ben Tate and David Wilson). If one of my starting RBs misses time, I will be in trouble. Only 1 DEF and 1 PK. I'm fine taking the zero for my DEF bye week but if my PK gets injured, I'll lose 10 points per game. Let's hope this doesn't happen. Best of luck to us all. It was fun getting a draft in before my other leagues kickoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I like my team given the best ball format. I was looking for home runs and not sweating consistency of injuries too much. Vick has a lot of risk, but is going to win me a couple of games and Flacco is going to put up some stinkers, but he'll pop a few times also. I thought (past tense) Ponder was the best QB in the draft last year and have high hopes for his development. Like Flacco for the exact opposite reasons, he'll put up a couple of monster games and I don't get stuck with the donuts. Luck was my "make sure you have a starting QB each week" pick after Vick. I might have reached a tad on Richardson, but with a 3RB flex he's worth the risk. Don't know how Forte is there at 16 in a full PPR league that can start 3 RB's but I'm loving it. Upside later on, focused on PPR candidates. Pead is gonna get a ton of action in half a dozen games or more and Spiller showed last year that he can post if he gets the chance. WR's are all about upside and this is definitely not a team I'd draft if I had to actually make lineup decisions but in this format I love them. Every single one of them can post 30 quick as a hiccup except Randle, and he'll serve a purpose if Nicks has foot problems. I'm not used to watching bye weeks on draft day and I noticed my week 11 issue much too late to impact it. Finley is very undervalued IMO and Cook could be the next breakout TE. Top 32 kicker and top 32 DEF are exciting. No backup K or DEF was partially from an expectation of having more rounds and partially from just liking to put more bullets in the chamber at skill positions. Detlef man, you crushed me a couple of times. Was quite surprised you took Green at 14, I was dreaming of him and Forte in that swing. Bradshaw too at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) It's an 8 team league, so we all better like our squads. I'm happy to have one of the uber-elite RBs, 3 Tier 1 WRs and mad depth at RB. Any of my RBs from 2-5 could put up RB2 numbers (and Lynch could be a borderline RB1), so collectively, they're a lock. Given the format, I figured I'd take the QB by committee aproach to the extreme and simply hope that one of my guys goes off each week. V Davis and Niners D are my pet picks. As a Niner fan, it's fun to root for your team and those are the two on that team that I have the most faith in. Crabtree is just a "what the hell" pick at a position where I feel I have 3 great starters so I figured I'd take the high risk-high reward approach with. I also have SF and Houston D as my 2 favorite Ds, so there's that. In short, I look forward to the free membership next year. Edited August 25, 2012 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 That was a good time, thanks for the opportunity DMD! And of course my team's the best, it's just what you get when you draft with me. Rodgers at QB with Cutler and Flynn (although Flynn may be worthless I don't need him) are as good as it gets. Should be the best QB situation in the entire league, as I own the #1 QB in all of fantasy-land. Adrian Peterson and Doug Martin are a sick-nasty combo that I love. In the dress rehearsal preseason game Martin dominated the carries and looks like a 2nd round value, maybe even higher in PPR. AP hasn't had a setback yet and looks good to go week 1. Gore and Green-Ellis should be two consistent guys that''ll be there every week. Beanie Wells and Toby Gerhart are just unnecessary icing on the cake at this point. At WR, Fitzgerald comboed with Brandon Lloyd, Brandon Marshall, Demaryius Thomas, and Mike Williams should slaughter. All of these guys will have MONSTER games, and some inconsistency, but since it's best ball it won't really matter as long as they DO have monster games -- which I have complete confidence in Fitz, Lloyd, and Marshall and Thomas as well to do just that. Fred Davis and Jacob Tamme will hold their own at TE. Obviously weakest here, but we are only starting one. Davis should be good for some hugh games while Tamme fills in with consistent performances when Davis goes M.I.A. Perfect value combo at TE. Ravens and Steelers defense will be more than average. Two very consistent high-class defenses that are proven. And Gostkowski as my homer kicker I love forward to seeing how this all pans out, I just wished I took Russell Wilson instead of Flynn with that pre-selected pick, but that's water under the bridge now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Company of Heroes Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Drew Brees, RG3: Should be good there, maybe RG3 has a couple big games. Wow. I'm the only one with only two QBs. Mathews, MJD, Turner, Jaquizz, Ingram, KHunter, PHillis, RWilliams: Two studs with issues, the ATL duo and a variety of young talent and vultures that can have the random big game. My weakness hopefully bolstered by depth. Once we went to 20, I added a couple more RBs Julio Jones, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown, Eric Decker: Strength of the squad, 4 with the potential to be top 10-15 on the season, stay healthy. Hernandez, Olsen: Not bad, not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I'm done ... and am feeling pretty good about it. Three of my top 10 QBs ... two of my top 6 PKs ... two of my top 3 DEFs ... three of my top 17 RBs ... and three of my top 17 WRs ... not a fan of my TEs though ... Not for nothing but I wasn't a fan of backing up a stud like Brady so soon. He's so reliable that I wonder how many times Stafford is going to outscore him and by how much. Seems like you left some points on the table there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Actually, it sort of means that it will be wrong about as often as it's right. I'm actually high on Gates but don't think he stands alone above the next batch. In fact, I'm a bit surprised at the lack of love V Davis is getting. New coach, no camp, and a great D meant the Niners were going to play it close to the vest last year, and it worked, to a degree. They were good for the first time in years. But they know it's not enough and showed it in the play-offs when they opened up the playbook, knowing full-well they weren't going to keep Brees to a low enough pt total to win it on the back of David Akers. And Davis when freaking mad. The Giants exposed their O-line the next week and I also think they figured they could win that game playing the sort of ball they played most of the year. Regardless, Davis went off again. A Smith is a smart kid and I bet he can operate a far more dynamic offense than he did last year. Which means, there's going to be enough yards and TDs to go around to make at least two targets FF relevant. And given how he ended last year, Davis seems like a lock to be one of them. I drafted him last year with high hopes and his inconsistency drove me nuts. You bring up good points, however, regarding Smith and this offense. I hope you're right if only to give me another option at TE after Gronk/Graham. In all my leagues I aim for the elite TEs but I can't count on getting Gronk/Graham. I might have to bump V. Davis into tier 1b this season based on your points above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Not for nothing but I wasn't a fan of backing up a stud like Brady so soon. He's so reliable that I wonder how many times Stafford is going to outscore him and by how much. Seems like you left some points on the table there. I've played (and won) at some very competitive best-ball leagues before. I'm confident in this strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I've played (and won) at some very competitive best-ball leagues before. I'm confident in this strategy. I can vouch for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I've played (and won) at some very competitive best-ball leagues before. I'm confident in this strategy. You may be right. That said, let's just say for instance that Brady and Stafford repeat, exactly, what happened last year. I mean, that'd be pretty nice, wouldn't it? Including the bye week, when Brady obviously put up zero pts, through week 16, Stafford will have contributed about 44 pts to the bottom line. That's the total amount of all the scoring deltas when Stafford out-scored Brady plus his bye week fill-in. I guess I would hope to get more than that out of a WR/RB/TE that I could get with 25th pick off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Ah yes, but are there any other owners in the league who'll get to use Staffords' stats? No. They're going to be stuck wtih Roethlisburger, Cutler and Tony Romo. Now, none of these guys are slouches, but (if everyone performs to expectations), they'll all score 2 to 6 points per week fewer than Stafford. Further, in drafting the three QBs I drafted, I think (barring crazy injuries) I'll not have many weeks with less than 350 yards and 3TDs on the board. Finally, the RB/WR/TE available at that time in the draft would be expected to put up approximately 240 points for the season ... or about 10-20 (in the case of WRs) and 20-30 (in the case of RBs) more points than could be able to be drafted a couple of rounds later. IOW, the dropoff in expected production at QB was (in my estimation) far greater than it was for RBs and WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 If you're an addict like me - see this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Ah yes, but are there any other owners in the league who'll get to use Staffords' stats? No. They're going to be stuck wtih Roethlisburger, Cutler and Tony Romo. Now, none of these guys are slouches, but (if everyone performs to expectations), they'll all score 2 to 6 points per week fewer than Stafford. Further, in drafting the three QBs I drafted, I think (barring crazy injuries) I'll not have many weeks with less than 350 yards and 3TDs on the board. Finally, the RB/WR/TE available at that time in the draft would be expected to put up approximately 240 points for the season ... or about 10-20 (in the case of WRs) and 20-30 (in the case of RBs) more points than could be able to be drafted a couple of rounds later. IOW, the dropoff in expected production at QB was (in my estimation) far greater than it was for RBs and WRs. For starters, you didn't keep owners in this league from getting Stafford's stats, you kept one owner. In other words, an advantage you'll only realize 1/7th of the games you play. At any rate, as far as comparing the RB/WR/TE you could have gotten, you need to be comparing the one you could have gotten there to the last player you drafted that will be a projected starter at RB/WR.TE/Flex. Look at the QB you could have drafted there, along with the guy you took as your 3rd QB plus of course Brady, and how much you'd lose compared to Brady, Stafford, and whomever your current 3rd is. Then compare the difference between the WR/RB/TE you could have gotten there and the guy you took in the 9th or whatever round you addressed that last starter position. None the less, this is all speculation. Like you said, you've had good results doing this before, so there you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Of the 2 WRs who went right afterwards (Nicks and Harvin), I was only targeting Nicks but also had him rated near Jennings (who I snagged next) - it was a calculated risk that I would land one of those two since I was right after the turn. Also, imo at the time, the dropoff in TE was much greater than the dropoff in WR. Again, I'll give you Gronk/Graham tier 1 but IMO Gates stands alone in tier 1B then the dropoff happens. There are other guys with upside but Gates was the only sure thing left at TE while WRs had a few options left of which I got one. At the end of the day, you should be happy with my choice since it only "helps" you if you think you're right. The great thing about it is we'll know in December after I win the league. still see Gates as that 1B tier after 5 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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