Wolverines Fan Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/17/panthers-boot-g-m-dave-gettleman/ http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9515/dave-gettleman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Quote “I want to thank Dave for the role he played in our success over the past four seasons. While the timing of this decision is not ideal, a change is needed.” Hard to believe they waited until now. Must have had a final straw with negotiating of contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Timing is very interesting on this one. Wonder if it has anything to do with a potential new Olson deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Hopefully this is a contract thing and not a why-the-hell-did-we-draft-McCaffrey issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Adam Schefter: Two names to watch for Panthers GM job: Titans director of player personnel Ryan Cowden, Panthers director of player personnel Don Gregory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 3 hours ago, NAUgrad said: Timing is very interesting on this one. Wonder if it has anything to do with a potential new Olson deal? Probably afraid it turns into another Josh Norman deal, or one of the others where they failed to retain their guys. Sounds like Richardson didn't want to do it but felt he had to stop the bleeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) I wouldn't have given Greg Olsen an extension either. He has 2 years left on his contract at $6.75 million per year. I wouldn't even consider giving an extension until next year and maybe not even then. I'm also not going to fault Gettleman for cutting a 35-year-old Steve Smith. The Josh Norman fiasco was a bit of a head-scratcher, though. Edited July 17, 2017 by michaelredd9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) This is what happens when you treat Steve Smith like garbage then try to do it to Greg Olson and Thomas Davis. Adios Amigo!! Edited July 17, 2017 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, tazinib1 said: This is what happens when you treat Steve Smith like garbage then try to do it to Greg Olson and Thomas Davis. Adios Amigo!! Or this is what happens when you have an idiot owner like Jerry Richardson. Steve Smith was old. He got cut. That isn't treating him like garbage. They tried to trade him and no other team wanted him at his contract price either. That's why he had to take a huge pay cut with the Ravens. But Steve Smith has a chip on his shoulder the size of Montana. Of course he would be offended. Thomas Davis will be 35 when he is a free agent next year. It is normal to let players that old play out their contract before re-signing them. It isn't treating him like garbage. Greg Olsen has 2 years left on a contract that doesn't even underpay him by much. You'd be hard-pressed to find an NFL team that would re-sign Olsen in this situation. Unnecessarily giving out big contracts to aged players because of "loyalty" is not a prescription for success in the NFL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I'll be glad when the season starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, michaelredd9 said: Or this is what happens when you have an idiot owner like Jerry Richardson. Steve Smith was old. He got cut. That isn't treating him like garbage. They tried to trade him and no other team wanted him at his contract price either. That's why he had to take a huge pay cut with the Ravens. But Steve Smith has a chip on his shoulder the size of Montana. Of course he would be offended. Thomas Davis will be 35 when he is a free agent next year. It is normal to let players that old play out their contract before re-signing them. It isn't treating him like garbage. Greg Olsen has 2 years left on a contract that doesn't even underpay him by much. You'd be hard-pressed to find an NFL team that would re-sign Olsen in this situation. Unnecessarily giving out big contracts to aged players because of "loyalty" is not a prescription for success in the NFL. I guess giving 13yrs to a franchise while making 5 pro bowls and posting potential HOF numbers doesn't garner any kind of loyalty. Then he goes out and churns out a 1k yd season before injuries retired him 2yrs later. Being realistic is good business. Being a hardliner to dedicated, productive and extremely popular franchise players is not. So you are saying the potential of cutting Olson and Davis would have been ok cause its the better business decision. Ok Edited July 18, 2017 by tazinib1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 9 hours ago, tazinib1 said: So you are saying the potential of cutting Olson and Davis would have been ok cause its the better business decision. Ok Why would they cut Olson and Davis? They neither need to cut them nor do they need to give them a new contract. Dave Gettleman inherited a team with huge salary cap problems. The previous regime unwisely paid over-the-hill players big money. Steve Smith was old and overpaid. They asked him to take a pay cut. He refused. He asked to be released. He ultimately received his pay cut in his new contract with the Ravens. NFL teams don't give 35-year-olds big money out of loyalty if they have any interest in winning. Steve Smith was paid very well by Carolina in his time there. In 2007, they gave him a huge new contract when he had 3 years left on his contract. He was always a player who they needed to keep happy because he would be a huge cancer if he was unhappy. DeAngelo Williams and Josh Norman are similar to Smith. They all play hard on the field but they are all prima donnas. The exit of these 3 players definitely made things easier in the locker room. Their influence on Cam Newton could not have been positive. And it's no surprise that all 3 players are all still whining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I'm not defending either side here. Hell I wish they would have cut or traded Stew years ago. But you can't hardline popular players time and time again and expect to keep your job. And why NE was brought into the conversation by another poster is laughable and bears zero relevance to this situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, tazinib1 said: But you can't hardline popular players time and time again and expect to keep your job. And why NE was brought into the conversation by another poster is laughable and bears zero relevance to this situation. Bill Belichick, the gold standard of general managers, hardlines popular players time and time again. In fact, all good general managers hardline players on the downside of their careers. The difference in Carolina is Carolina's old players were divas and Jerry Richardson's attachment to his players. All popular players need to be let go at some point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, LordOpie said: Yoda: and that is why you fail. Please stop talking. It's embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 37 minutes ago, michaelredd9 said: Bill Belichick, the gold standard of general managers, hardlines popular players time and time again. In fact, all good general managers hardline players on the downside of their careers. The difference in Carolina is Carolina's old players were divas and Jerry Richardson's attachment to his players. All popular players need to be let go at some point. The difference is that in NE, that is the culture and the business model that every player knows coming in. And every player there that is presented with a proposed pay cut usually agrees. Cause they win SB's. Carolina does not have that pedigree to forcibly adopt that business model. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, LordOpie said: Yoda: and that is why you fail. And why you fail, that is. Yes, hmmm. http://www.yodaspeak.co.uk/index.php 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stethant Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, LordOpie said: let's bury the hatchet. I'll buy you a beer. Low class and unnecessary. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, LordOpie said: let's bury the hatchet. I'll buy you a beer. Done. But not trying to be an ass, but I'm sober now. I'll take a Red Bull though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 So now they are talking to Marty Hurney..............what??? The guy that crippled this team with all of his rediculous signings to begin with? I'm so lost on this one. What is going on in Panther land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 DeAngelo Williams says he is now willing to come back to the Panthers now that Gettleman is gone. So they've got that going for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 6 hours ago, michaelredd9 said: DeAngelo Williams says he is now willing to come back to the Panthers now that Gettleman is gone. So they've got that going for them. Like he wouldn't have come back if Gettleman called... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Only real issue with Gettleman that I noticed was using high draft picks on redundant assets. Benjamin and Funchess, McCaffrey and Samuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 13 hours ago, BA Baracus said: Only real issue with Gettleman that I noticed was using high draft picks on redundant assets. Benjamin and Funchess, McCaffrey and Samuel. A good general manager provides what an offensive or defensive coordinator asks. A bad general manager will impose his will and draft players that don't fit the scheme a coordinator is planning to use. Mike Shula probably asked for big receivers a couple of years ago so Gettleman drafted him a couple. If Funchess and Benjamin were better, it wouldn't be an issue. Now Shula is probably asking for the opposite. He probably asked for smaller, quick players for a short passing game most likely with the intention of keeping Newton healthy. Personally, I think they might be planning to use CMC and Samuel like the Packers used Ty Montgomery last year. Samuel might be a better running back than wide receiver. I don't think Newton will prosper with a short passing game. When he throws short, his arm goes in slow motion. A quick arm is necessary to be effective with short passes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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