tazinib1 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Browns believed they completed their acquisition of A.J. McCarron from the Bengals before Tuesday's deadline, but that the league would not allow it to go through. Schefter reports the Browns notified the NFL of the deal "moments too late," and that the league would not budge. ESPN Clevelad's Tony Grossi went as far as to report that the Browns were "celebrating" McCarron's acquisition and "forgot to call in the deal before the deadline." That seems a bit hard to believe, though we really want to. The Browns have lost control of their quarterback narrative, letting their rivals and media paint them as hapless in their pursuit of an answer under center. Related: Browns Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Oct 31 - 5:27 PM Poor Brownies....I really feel for you. Seriously. But damn you guys can't seem to fight your way out of those paper bags. Wait...isn't that the Lions? Whatever...same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Those are my Clowns, couple that with reports yesterday that coach Hue Jackson was pissed when GM Sashi Brown and the rest of the front office went home at 5PM yesterday instead of staying around and working on trade possibilities, what a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 dont land watson...take kizer in the mid/late 2nd....halfway through his rookie season want to ship a 2nd and 3rd for a new qb...lol....i know cleveland has a stockpile of picks....but its just bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Didn't the Browns pass on Wentz, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Wolverines Fan said: Didn't the Browns pass on Wentz, too? ya they traded out lol...but that was two years ago...i was trying not to pile it all on....but just focus on the lunacy of this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 NFL did them a favor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I don't think either Wentz or Watson flourish in CLE, certainly not like they have been so far, both PHI and HOU are far more talented on both sides of the ball, better coached and better run organizations. Browns fans are harping on the Myles Garrett pick now, he's injury prone and other nonsense. They wanted the hometown kid Trubisky, and now talk about how well he is doing in CHI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Dey 4 Life Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I bet AJ McCarron is feeling a lot better tonight after that disaster in Cleveland. A back up in Cincy is a lot better than a starter in Browns country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Now there is conflicting info of who botched the trade, with aa "league source" saying the Bengals sent in the wrong paperwork: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Big John said: Now there is conflicting info of who botched the trade, with aa "league source" saying the Bengals sent in the wrong paperwork: Conspiracy theory time. Did the Bengals have second thoughts and botch this on purpose? Edited November 1, 2017 by Wolverines Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Laughing at CLE passing on Wentz or Watson is itself laughably stupid. Hindsight is 20/20. This "forgetting to call the trade in" is something to really laugh (or if you're a CLE fan, cry) about. Not that McCarron is likely the next Manning or whoever, but he has possibilities. IMO it's also quite stupid for them to even consider giving up on Kizer or for that matter Kessler so quickly. Based on that logic, PHI and LA should've ditched Wentz and Goff this past spring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyrckstar Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 hours ago, stevegrab said: I don't think either Wentz or Watson flourish in CLE, certainly not like they have been so far, both PHI and HOU are far more talented on both sides of the ball, better coached and better run organizations. Browns fans are harping on the Myles Garrett pick now, he's injury prone and other nonsense. They wanted the hometown kid Trubisky, and now talk about how well he is doing in CHI. Flourish? No Make the team better? Absolutely. Even with really no talent on the team. QBs can attract talent to come their way via free agency. They need a focal point to build their around. Problem is they continue to make mistakes. I never got why they would Kizer. He wasn't even good in college. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyrckstar Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, BeeR said: Laughing at CLE passing on Wentz or Watson is itself laughably stupid. Hindsight is 20/20. This "forgetting to call the trade in" is something to really laugh (or if you're a CLE fan, cry) about. Not that McCarron is likely the next Manning or whoever, but he has possibilities. IMO it's also quite stupid for them to even consider giving up on Kizer or for that matter Kessler so quickly. Based on that logic, PHI and LA should've ditched Wentz and Goff this past spring. True but sometimes patience isn't worth it. Especially when you get an idea of the QBs strength, weakness, development, decision making, etc... after a few games. Wentz showed potential from year one. Everyone thought of him being a franchise QB. Goff didn't but that is a direct reflection on their former HC. Once they got rid of him and brought a guy that is known for his offense, a true evaluation can at least be made. Surprisingly, he has performed a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, indyrckstar said: True but sometimes patience isn't worth it. Especially when you get an idea of the QBs strength, weakness, development, decision making, etc... after a few games. Wentz showed potential from year one. Everyone thought of him being a franchise QB. Goff didn't but that is a direct reflection on their former HC. Once they got rid of him and brought a guy that is known for his offense, a true evaluation can at least be made. Surprisingly, he has performed a lot better. Except you can't get a real idea "after a few games." There's a long list of great QBs who would've never made it if that attitude was taken w/them. A lot of people were questioning if both PHI and LA didn't screw up by paying so high for both of their QBs up to and including this summer. It was hardly "everyone" thinking he was a franchise QB. It was everyone going maybe, maybe not, maybe a bust, maybe not. Again, hindsight. And how much diff the new HC made for Goff vs just simply being in the league another year and learning is more than a little debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 10 hours ago, stevegrab said: I don't think either Wentz or Watson flourish in CLE, certainly not like they have been so far, both PHI and HOU are far more talented on both sides of the ball, better coached and better run organizations. Browns fans are harping on the Myles Garrett pick now, he's injury prone and other nonsense. They wanted the hometown kid Trubisky, and now talk about how well he is doing in CHI. you make it sound as if trubisky is setting the world on fire....hes not i cant say for certain watson or wentz would be flourishing in cleveland...in fact id prob lean towards they wouldnt be.....but they are still better than any qb on clevelands roster and maybe they could be elevating the play there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 8 hours ago, BeeR said: Laughing at CLE passing on Wentz or Watson is itself laughably stupid. Hindsight is 20/20. This "forgetting to call the trade in" is something to really laugh (or if you're a CLE fan, cry) about. Not that McCarron is likely the next Manning or whoever, but he has possibilities. IMO it's also quite stupid for them to even consider giving up on Kizer or for that matter Kessler so quickly. Based on that logic, PHI and LA should've ditched Wentz and Goff this past spring. Wentz and Watson have a much better supporting cast especially in terms of weapons to throw at. Whilst the Browns basically have rookies and scrubs which definitely makes a difference. Not saying they wouldn't have been successful if the Browns had taken them but no guarantee its the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stevegrab Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 12 hours ago, Big John said: Now there is conflicting info of who botched the trade, with aa "league source" saying the Bengals sent in the wrong paperwork: Not really sure what to believe, the Bengals deny the messed up and the NFL says they received paperwork from the Bengals that covers the trade being completed. Sashi Brown may be a fool but this wasn't his first trade so it would be odd that he didn't know what paperwork was required. I heard it just took too long to decide, then they faxed it to the leauge office and it arrived 3 minutes late. Why they still use ancient stuff like faxing is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockStaysHigh Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 If wentz or watson were on the browns theyd be consider busts. Clevelands only been watchable for 1 yr of my entire life lol. Im 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: you make it sound as if trubisky is setting the world on fire....hes not i cant say for certain watson or wentz would be flourishing in cleveland...in fact id prob lean towards they wouldnt be.....but they are still better than any qb on clevelands roster and maybe they could be elevating the play there..... I didn't say a thing about Trubisky lighting the world on fire I said Browns fans (some of them) are harping on the Garrett pick becuase of his injuries and some had wanted the Browns to draft Trubisky very high, even first overall. He's a local kid, was Mr Football in Ohio his senior year in HS. Yes those guys have more talent than the QBs we have now, not sure that we'd be any better with them though. At this point I have serious doubts than any thing can help this team. 31 minutes ago, BrockStaysHigh said: If wentz or watson were on the browns theyd be consider busts. Clevelands only been watchable for 1 yr of my entire life lol. Im 27. They've been pretty horrible since restarting as an expansion team, which has been almost 20 yeas now. What is mind boggling is their first 4-5 years were really the best, with steady improvement and a playoff game. Since then nothing but mediocrity or worse, constant coach/FO turnover, player controversies and busted draft picks. If I moved to Cleveland in 1999 I probably would have remained a fan of whatever team I cheered for already. (I moved there in the early 80s and enjoyed their most recent success with 3 AFC title game losses to Broncos in a 4 year span. That hurt but I'd take that over what we have now in a heartbeat.) Edited November 1, 2017 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, stevegrab said: I didn't say a thing about Trubisky lighting the world on fire I said Browns fans (some of them) are harping on the Garrett pick becuase of his injuries and some had wanted the Browns to draft Trubisky very high, even first overall. He's a local kid, was Mr Football in Ohio his senior year in HS. Yes those guys have more talent than the QBs we have now, not sure that we'd be any better with them though. At this point I have serious doubts than any thing can help this team. They've been pretty horrible since restarting as an expansion team, which has been almost 20 yeas now. What is mind boggling is their first 4-5 years were really the best, with steady improvement and a playoff game. Since then nothing but mediocrity or worse, constant coach/FO turnover, player controversies and busted draft picks. If I moved to Cleveland in 1999 I probably would have remained a fan of whatever team I cheered for already. (I moved there in the early 80s and enjoyed their most recent success with 3 AFC title game losses to Broncos in a 4 year span. That hurt but I'd take that over what we have now in a heartbeat.) you did say "they wanted the hometown kid, Trubisky and talk about how well he is doing in Chicago"....so maybe it wasn't you directly...but the browns fans that you were speaking about....seems like they think trubisky is proving something already.....he really isn't being asked to do much at all right now...so I don't know how browns fans could act like trubisky is "doing well". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 34 minutes ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: you did say "they wanted the hometown kid, Trubisky and talk about how well he is doing in Chicago"....so maybe it wasn't you directly...but the browns fans that you were speaking about....seems like they think trubisky is proving something already.....he really isn't being asked to do much at all right now...so I don't know how browns fans could act like trubisky is "doing well". Yes that's part of my point, many of these Browns fans are rather delusional, especially when it comes to home town talent. They also whine a lot about the Browns not drafting enough Buckeyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleshot Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Now all they have to do is let the timer run out on draft day and their ineptitude will be complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, stevegrab said: Yes that's part of my point, many of these Browns fans are rather delusional, especially when it comes to home town talent. They also whine a lot about the Browns not drafting enough Buckeyes. i hear ya seems like they should watch some other teams play...bears are playing not too bad because they are playing good defense and running the ball...a lot of qbs can thrive in that kind of environment that should help aid trubiskys development though...not a bad thing....he gets to take snaps against live 1st string NFL defenses and see things without being a sitting duck or taking a beating Edited November 1, 2017 by forever in debt to mo lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Big John said: Now there is conflicting info of who botched the trade, with aa "league source" saying the Bengals sent in the wrong paperwork: ah....the Bengals pulled the the ol' "extend your hand for a shake then pull it back and slick your hair when your mark goes for it" move! Nice! Edited November 1, 2017 by CowboysDiehard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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