Playoff tie-breaker question

[kdko]

1 hour ago, Finn5033 said:

Agree to disagree. To me it makes no sense to use head to head as your leagues structure but then throw it out when it comes to a tie breaker. As we all know, how many points your team scored during the regular season means nothing when the playoffs start. Fantasy is a week to week game. 

 

Because H2H is inherently flawed.  The only right way to do H2H is by doing double headers, so that on a week where you'd beat 90% of other teams, you can at least draw 1-1.  Otherwise there's always the lucky idiot who got a playoff seed while having one of the lowest points scored, and lowest points scored against.  If you're trying to decide who the most worthwhile team is in a tie breaker, PF is the best metric, as its the more accurate way of showing who a better team was in the case of a tie.  Why add more H2H elements to H2H?

[Gopher]

5 hours ago, Finn5033 said:

Agree to disagree. To me it makes no sense to use head to head as your leagues structure but then throw it out when it comes to a tie breaker. As we all know, how many points your team scored during the regular season means nothing when the playoffs start. Fantasy is a week to week game. 

What one team scored in Week 5 means a whole lot less.

Edited December 9, 2017 by Gopher

[kdko]

10 minutes ago, Gopher said:

What one team scored in Week means a whole lot less.

 

This x1000.

[Finn5033]

So let’s say we have team A finishes at 7-6 and scored 1250 pts on the season. Then we have team B who finished 7-6 and scored 1280 pts on the season. These two are tied for the last playoff spot and team A beat team B head to head. You’re telling me that team B is more deserving because they scored 30 more pts over a 13 week season? Sorry but I have a hard time accepting that that is a better tie breaker

Edited December 9, 2017 by Finn5033

[chiefswarpath]

So both systems have there flaws. In my situation seeds 3-7 all ended up 7-6. The tie breaker ended up favoring total points (for me at least) The h2h tie breaker ended up getting thrown out the window with us all beating each other. Team A beat team D, team D beat team B, Team B lost to A, Team C beat A but lost to team B. Confused? So we ended up all being ranked by points and I somehow ended up going from 7 seed to 3 seed in 1 week.

[Gopher]

1 hour ago, Finn5033 said:

So let’s say we have team A finishes at 7-6 and scored 1250 pts on the season. Then we have team B who finished 7-6 and scored 1280 pts on the season. These two are tied for the last playoff spot and team A beat team B head to head. You’re telling me that team B is more deserving because they scored 30 more pts over a 13 week season? Sorry but I have a hard time accepting that that is a better tie breaker

In that scenario, I think you can make an argument that either team is more deserving.  If the points gap is 200, however, it’s pretty tough to make a legitimate argument that the HTH winner is the better team (more deserving).  

 

Put it it this way.  There are “flaws” either way.  But, if the goal is to get the best team in the playoffs, there is less of a chance that the wrong team gets in using points as the tie-breaker.  In other words, there can be flukes either way, certainly.  But, points are a better gauge of which team is better, more often than not.  It’s not perfect, but it’s less imperfect.  

 

But, I get it.  Some people get hung up on the HTH thing, and that’s fine.  Which is why I believe it’s a matter of preference.  

[Gopher]

My biggest issue with HTH is that fantasy football and real football are very different.  HTH makes sense in the NFL because two teams actually played each other on a football field, and the better team won the game.  In FF, though, that doesn’t happen.  It’s played on paper, and head-to-head doesn’t mean the same thing.  You could be playing Team A, but the reality is that you’re not playing them in the same way as in the NFL.  You’re not on the same field with Team A any more than you are B, C, or D.  

[Finn5033]

5 hours ago, Gopher said:

My biggest issue with HTH is that fantasy football and real football are very different.  HTH makes sense in the NFL because two teams actually played each other on a football field, and the better team won the game.  In FF, though, that doesn’t happen.  It’s played on paper, and head-to-head doesn’t mean the same thing.  You could be playing Team A, but the reality is that you’re not playing them in the same way as in the NFL.  You’re not on the same field with Team A any more than you are B, C, or D.  

Oh believe me I get what you guys are saying, I’ve been on the wrong end of this situation many times. I agree that if there is a massive points difference it is more clear who’s team is better. But in my experience the majority of the time the point difference isn’t that great. 

[michaelredd9]

Head-to-head is fun.  It is fun competing against a different person each week even if you aren't interacting with their team in any real sense.  It is especially fun when you know the person you are competing against.  I also like the idea of a team or two of the remaining teams to get into the playoffs based on most points scored.  It seems unfair for someone to score in the top 3 of most points scored and not make it in to the playoffs.  I also like the idea of using most points scored to determine tiebreakers. It is the easiest system, and again, the most fair.

 

Some people are arguing that it is hypocritical not to support one or the other system 100%.  They are arguing that if you like most points scored then you need to do away with head-to-head entirely.  Or if you support head-to-head then you need use head-to-head as the tiebreaker, too.  Just because you like something doesn't mean you need to put it into practice in it's 100% pure form.  Most things aren't good in their 100% pure form.  100% capitalism isn't good.  100% socialism isn't good.  The key is to try to get the best of both systems and not the bad parts.  I think playing head-to-head while putting a team or two with most points into the playoffs and using most points for tiebreakers brings the best of both systems together.

 

Edited December 9, 2017 by michaelredd9