BeeR Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Top 4 picks locked: 1. Browns 2. Giants 3. Colts 4. Browns (via Texans) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Could be interesting on offense if they go QB of choice, then Barkley. More confidence the new GM will make smart choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 If Darnold doesn't come out is Rosen really the choice, I hear he has character issues-? I'd love Barkley in Coltland, tho I know they have numerous needs...and NY might beat them to it, think that O healthy with Barkley at RB, yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 http://nfltraderumors.co/2018-nfl-draft-order/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 17 hours ago, BeeR said: If Darnold doesn't come out is Rosen really the choice, I hear he has character issues-? I'd love Barkley in Coltland, tho I know they have numerous needs...and NY might beat them to it, think that O healthy with Barkley at RB, yikes i actually like rosen more than darnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 18 hours ago, BeeR said: If Darnold doesn't come out is Rosen really the choice, I hear he has character issues-? I'd love Barkley in Coltland, tho I know they have numerous needs...and NY might beat them to it, think that O healthy with Barkley at RB, yikes With what line to run behind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Cleveland has 2 top 4 picks. In the NFL you take the one you want, not the one left on the board (as in fantasy football). They can still trade back up into the first for another player (to get that 5th year option) and have 3 firsts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Cleveland should just draft 2 QB's instead of trying to guess the right one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 hours ago, LordOpie said: that's letting your ego get in the way of success. I'm not saying there's a Dan Marino in this draft, but he was the 6th QB taken at the end of the 1st round. Since he was a first ballot HoF, you can't really say that Elway or Kelly were that much better than him even tho they had more success. Since there are too many variables, why not play value and odds. If you're going to relate FF, since I stopped trying to be clever and I put my ego aside, I have been winning consistently. Of the top 4-6 QB prospects in this class, is there one or two that realy truly stand out from the others? The thing is - they can guarantee they get a QB with the 1st/4th pick, they cannot guarantee they can trade up from the second round ahead of anyone to get the last one on the board. Other teams may offer more for the same pick or move ahead of them. It could cost the second plus a future first depending on how high the final QB is sitting at. No ego involved, it's just not good odds or economics. They already control the draft board right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 23 hours ago, kdko said: Cleveland should just draft 2 QB's instead of trying to guess the right one Which 2? What if they are both busts? Heck some are labeling Myles Garrett a bust because he could't stay healthy, and he was the consensus #1 pick. Is there a consensus this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 1/1/2018 at 2:51 PM, kdko said: With what line to run behind? That's what FAs are for. And high 2d round picks. I'll take Barkley and whatever they can get that way than some Mongo OL with the 3d pick and whoever they might get at RB later (Guice etc). Barkley has the ability to be special like no OL in the draft does and would be more of a difference maker than they would. Easily. Ditto for DE in case someone is about to bring up Chubb. Quote i don't follow college nor prospects, tho I watch the draft... I heard that there are 5-6 highly rated QB prospects this year? Is that true? No. There are basically 2 considered really top picks in Darnold and Rosen, and Darnold might not come out, and neither is really consider a Luck-type sure thing. Allen is considered very boom/bust and Mayfield's size (barely 6') scares many teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Kind of odd hearing Luck and sure thing now, he'll be 4 years removed from his great start (3 straight 11-5 seasons, with some nice stats) if he returns next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 Yeah have to wonder how much damage all those sacks have really done, if not physically, mentally. I guess I shouldn't kick if they take a OL with that top pick but I really think Barkley (if he even falls) is the move. Gore has done well to hang on this long but he's barely passable now if that and Mack isn't more than a backup type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Now is the time of year I start to study the draft class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Rashaad Penny. He's going to be the best RB of the 2018 draft class. Draft him liberally wherever you can in the late rounds, reach a little bit if he lands in a very favorable situation. He will be the lead dog somewhere. I wasn't wrong about Kamara before the draft this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, LordOpie said: Listening to sports talk, it sounds like Saquon Barkley might be the safest pick in this draft? He might be a once a decade special RB. If so... if you're CLE, do you take Barkley at 1.01 and whichever QB you really like remaining at 1.04? What are the odds that IND takes a QB or trades down? What are the odds that IND does NOT draft Saquon if he's available? I wouldn't mind them drafting Barkley at 1.01 and Fitzpatrick at 1.04. Then Grab Rudolph in the 2nd, Mike White in the 4th edit: My gut feeling tells me Barkley doesn't make it to 4, and I would also like to see a vet QB added in FA or via trade Edited February 6, 2018 by jamesplante11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 2 hours ago, jamesplante11 said: I wouldn't mind them drafting Barkley at 1.01 and Fitzpatrick at 1.04. Then Grab Rudolph in the 2nd, Mike White in the 4th edit: My gut feeling tells me Barkley doesn't make it to 4, and I would also like to see a vet QB added in FA or via trade Luckily FA signing will come before the draft, so we should know what kind of vet QB they got, are they a short term bridge or more long term franchise starter. That will impact what they do at QB in the draft, I still think they take one with the top 2 picks. I'd be happy with Barkley at 1.01 as well, since none of the QBs are really standouts over each other. Dn't know much about Fitzpatrick, but isn't 1.4 very high for a DB, no matter how good they look? Of course last year Myles Garrett was the safe pick, the consensus #1 and many Browns fans are calling him a bust, not enough of an impact player, another wasted high draft pick (I think most of them are nuts and overly judgemental). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, stevegrab said: Luckily FA signing will come before the draft, so we should know what kind of vet QB they got, are they a short term bridge or more long term franchise starter. That will impact what they do at QB in the draft, I still think they take one with the top 2 picks. I'd be happy with Barkley at 1.01 as well, since none of the QBs are really standouts over each other. Dn't know much about Fitzpatrick, but isn't 1.4 very high for a DB, no matter how good they look? Of course last year Myles Garrett was the safe pick, the consensus #1 and many Browns fans are calling him a bust, not enough of an impact player, another wasted high draft pick (I think most of them are nuts and overly judgemental). Fitzpatrick is getting ringing endorsements from scouts everywhere and some are even calling him the best player in the entire draft. One AFC scout said “He is just as talented as Jamal Adams, and he is more versatile” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 5 hours ago, LordOpie said: Listening to sports talk, it sounds like Saquon Barkley might be the safest pick in this draft? He might be a once a decade special RB. If so... if you're CLE, do you take Barkley at 1.01 and whichever QB you really like remaining at 1.04? What are the odds that IND takes a QB or trades down? What are the odds that IND does NOT draft Saquon if he's available? Colts are rumored to be all in for Chubb, even if Barkley is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 From what I'm reading, there's no way we take Barkley at 1. It's a QB. Could be smokescreen stuff though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Shorttynaz said: Colts are rumored to be all in for Chubb, even if Barkley is there. That figures Chubb is good, but he's no Myles Garrett type of talent. Not near the diff maker Barkley is. But if they can't trade down and Barkley is (as expected) gone, Chubb is probably the best pick. Fitz is a sweet alternate choice and I know they need to try and (for the first time in forever) build a legit D. I'm just sick of half-ass RBs and Barkley is, at least on paper, Peterson-level good, if not better. But if he's there and the Colts pass on him I will personally drive to Indy to beat the living shat out of Ballard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 10 hours ago, LordOpie said: but why? There is a game changing RB and four really good QBs. Why not take whichever QB is left at #4? You know there will be at least two to choose from I think the player comps are funny. I’ve heard the AP comp, NFL.com has gotten a little carried away, or they are brilliant one of the two. Barkley- Barry Sanders Chubb- Chris Long Fitzpatrick- Budda Baker Darnold- Andrew Luck Allen- Jake Locker Rosen- Trent Green If comps were real, give me Barry Sanders 2.0 at 1.01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, LordOpie said: those QBs are some extreme comparisons, unless they think Darnold's career will also end in injury early. What about Mayfield? yeah, barry sanders is a no brainer. Mayfield they have comped at Doug Flutie Here's a link to the draft profiles and grades http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 16 hours ago, LordOpie said: but why? There is a game changing RB and four really good QBs. Why not take whichever QB is left at #4? You know there will be at least two to choose from Not sure what source loaf has saying it will be a QB at 1.01, I do keep hearing fans say WE MUST TAKE A QB #1, most say "because we keep passing on them and we need one", not very rational. Its not that different from fantasy drafts, what would they prefer Barkley their chose of at least 2 of the top 4 QBs or their top choice at QB and ??? at 1.04. (Not sure what they'd do at #4, sure Barkley if he is there.) Is there a QB the Browns covet? Do they covet Barkley? As I said before, which FA QB they get could impact their decisions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, stevegrab said: Not sure what source loaf has saying it will be a QB at 1.01, I do keep hearing fans say WE MUST TAKE A QB #1, most say "because we keep passing on them and we need one", not very rational. Its not that different from fantasy drafts, what would they prefer Barkley their chose of at least 2 of the top 4 QBs or their top choice at QB and ??? at 1.04. (Not sure what they'd do at #4, sure Barkley if he is there.) Is there a QB the Browns covet? Do they covet Barkley? As I said before, which FA QB they get could impact their decisions. If they covet Mayfield as much as the media is trying to portray they should take Barkley at 1 and another top flight talent at 4 like Fitzpatrick or Daveport then trade back into the first round and draft Mayfield.....then we can draw more comparisons to Manziel Regardless the answer could be to draft a QB late 1st early 2nd, his name is Mason Rudolph Edited February 7, 2018 by jamesplante11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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