forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 52 minutes ago, Caveman_Nick said: Isn’t that the point though? Brady is a clear GOAT. Jimmy G has had a few games. If you had to bet on one, are you saying you are laying your money on Jimmy? Bill Belichick disagrees with you, FWIW. the bill simmons theory also seems to very plausible that at age 40 brady is no longer relatable to his teammates the way he was when he started out......also probably no longer the first one there and last one to leave like the way he once was(tom has mentioned how hes had 17 years of experience and seen "pretty much anything you can throw at him" defensively....he also said the days where you could call what he does "overpreparing" have come to an end).....and jimmy is probably more relatabe to his lineman/teammates given his age and marital status....prob spends more time at the facility....and there may have been a bit of a s hift in the locker room towards jimmy and bill had to do something about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Caveman_Nick said: Isn’t that the point though? Brady is a clear GOAT. Jimmy G has had a few games. If you had to bet on one, are you saying you are laying your money on Jimmy? Bill Belichick disagrees with you, FWIW. I've never denied that Brady is the GOAT, it'd be a fools errand to argue that, and i'm just playing devil's advocate here. At this juncture of course not, yet I still think the Patriots would have been playoff bound, and that he would have been your QB for the foreseeable future. How long is Brady gonna keep this up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/01/how_cleveland_browns_were_froz.html According to this article Cleveland was willing to offer up the Houston 1st rd pick, but two days prior they were told Jimmy G was unavailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, jamesplante11 said: http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/01/how_cleveland_browns_were_froz.html According to this article Cleveland was willing to offer up the Houston 1st rd pick, but two days prior they were told Jimmy G was unavailable. yeah...not really new news....but I figured someone would mention it soon like I said...if this wickersham stuff has legit legs to stand on we wont know for some time most likely other potential possibilities -belichick wanted to trade him somewhere where he could succeed....has been mentioned he is chummy with lynch and the shannahans...especially the elder -belichick didn't want to trade him in the AFC -belichick is not fond spending guaranteed money on high draft picks......in his career the highest they've drafted is Seymour at 6..mayo at 10 and ty warren at 13....now this notion of belichich not liking high picks began way back before the rookie pay scale and current CBA....but stil....a top 3-4 pick is getting around 28 mil guaranteed for 4 years with around 17-18 mil signing bonus....belichick has been criticized for moving guys before had to pay them amongst many other things..."being cheap".....I think he prefers an early 2nd round guy with a more sensible contract that doesn't breed animosity....given the 4th overall pick and the 2nd round pick would both be unproven..........sure theres the potential for a huge impact guy that high at 4...but the patriots have been getting along fine without picking guys that high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: yeah...not really new news....but I figured someone would mention it soon like I said...if this wickersham stuff has legit legs to stand on we wont know for some time most likely other potential possibilities -belichick wanted to trade him somewhere where he could succeed....has been mentioned he is chummy with lynch and the shannahans...especially the elder -belichick didn't want to trade him in the AFC -belichick is not fond spending guaranteed money on high draft picks......in his career the highest they've drafted is Seymour at 6..mayo at 10 and ty warren at 13....now this notion of belichich not liking high picks began way back before the rookie pay scale and current CBA....but stil....a top 3-4 pick is getting around 28 mil guaranteed for 4 years with around 17-18 mil signing bonus....belichick has been criticized for moving guys before had to pay them amongst many other things..."being cheap".....I think he prefers an early 2nd round guy with a more sensible contract that doesn't breed animosity....given the 4th overall pick and the 2nd round pick would both be unproven..........sure theres the potential for a huge impact guy that high at 4...but the patriots have been getting along fine without picking guys that high This is where my money has been since day 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, jamesplante11 said: This is where my money has been since day 1 I think wanting him to succeed (goes to BB's legacy) and the Shanahan connection played a bigger role, the Browns were not going to be a threat to the Pats, trading him to Jacksonville or Denver would be dangerous, but the 4-44 over last 3 years Browns? By the time we sniff the playoffs BB will have retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 he doesnt neccessarily have to be looking at the next 2-3 years to make that call......it could be something hes thinking about the next 10 even if hes gone...if he believes in the guy that much.....some were speculating part of the reason he was "pissed" when "forced to trade him" was that he wanted to leave something for the organization and maybe his kids if they remain with the organization......so if thats to be believed its reasonable to think maybe even if he wasnt forced to trade him that the same reasoning could have played a factor in where he was trading him you add barkley and garappolo....with gordon, coleman and njoku...and theres a nice cache of weapons.......the rams were able to turn things around real quick...from one of the most boring and terribles offenses to a playoff team(and they were trotting out a qb last year that helped take a team to the playoffs this year).... i still think cleveland would have too much of a deficiency on defense but its not out of the realm to think it could be pretty competitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 Yeah, rumors were swirling as soon as the trade happened that Belichick did it as a (possible) parting gift to Shanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 5:18 PM, Caveman_Nick said: if you read it, you barely skimmed it. In summary, your solution was to get rid of Tom Brady, after an MVP caliber season. Stop. Really. Jimmy G might be able to tie Brady’s shoes someday. Nobody compares to Brady, and I'm not saying Jimmy G is the next Brady. But he would have been the next face of the franchise if he stayed. Brady is going to be 41 next year, dude. Do you really buy into this "play until I'm 45" nonsense? He is going to fall off a cliff sooner than later. It's not unreasonable to consider moving on before that happens. And if Belichick really, truly thought Jimmy G had the "it" factor to be a really good, if not great, QB, then it's not out of the question to keep him and move on from Brady. If anything, Belichick might have the ego to want to prove that Brady isn't the primary reason for the long-term success of the franchise, and Jimmy G might have been his best opportunity to prove it. The fact that a mediocre QB like Matt Cassel went 11-5 in Brady's stead is reason to suspect that a truly good QB could duplicate the success that the team has had (note, I am not saying Brady's personal successes like his otherworldly TD:INT ratio, PFF rating, etc.). The fact that Brady has performed at this level for so long is unprecedented for a QB. So yeah, I don't think it is unreasonable to consider Brady the present of the franchise but not the future. I guess this stance is laughable? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 This is simple: the team could not keep both players. brady is still playing at an elite+ level. they are trying to win championships. You, in their position, would trade Brady. I think that is laughable when comparing him to a guy who, at the time, had played 6 quarters and gone on IR. Utterly, undeniably laughable. Ludicrous. Crazy. Nuts. I don’t have a crystal ball, Garoppolo might be the next Brady. There is no way to know, and no way anyone looking out for the best interest of their team for 2017-2018 wouls make a different decision. The argument for Garoppolo is/was an utter fantasy when the deal was made and even today with his 7TD to 5INT stat line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, Caveman_Nick said: There is no way to know, and no way anyone looking out for the best interest of their team for 2017-2018 wouls make a different decision. Unless you're the genius that is Belichick Isn't he responsible for recognizing the talent in the 7th round pick of Brady? Why did he spend a 2nd round pick on Garoppolo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, kdko said: Unless you're the genius that is Belichick Isn't he responsible for recognizing the talent in the 7th round pick of Brady? Why did he spend a 2nd round pick on Garoppolo? scott pioli was also around when "they" picked brady...pioli used to tell a story about how he used to keep a framed picture of dave stachelski on his desk....if you dont know who that is he was the TE the patriots took in the 5th round( i believe they had three 6th rounders that year and brady was the last of the three)....he said he looked at it whenever someone mentioned how "smart" he was..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: scott pioli was also around when "they" picked brady...pioli used to tell a story about how he used to keep a framed picture of dave stachelski on his desk....if you dont know who that is he was the TE the patriots took in the 5th round( i believe they had three 6th rounders that year and brady was the last of the three)....he said he looked at it whenever someone mentioned how "smart" he was..... When someone mentioned how smart Belichick was i'm assuming? I think for the overwhelming amount of choices Belichick has made right over the years, he's allowed to whiff on some picks. Kind of an odd thing for someone to keep around for the 'A-Ha! moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, kdko said: When someone mentioned how smart Belichick was i'm assuming? I think for the overwhelming amount of choices Belichick has made right over the years, he's allowed to whiff on some picks. Kind of an odd thing for someone to keep around for the 'A-Ha! moment. no...when people mentioned how smart HE was...... ya...everyone is allowed to whiff on some picks/moves...and if you look at belichicks history here in NE he has quite a few......there was a time where people started to wonder if holding both positions was a little too much for him ......hes def not infallible when it comess to some of his personnel moves...although nobody is close to 100 percent so its understanable belichick and co also spent a 3rd rounder on a guy named kevin o'connell once......that guy didnt pan out too well....everyone was all giddy about ryan mallett too at one point.....he aint nothing special and is just a backup..... i like jimmy....i dont wanna keep repating it....but some of you talk as if hes a surefire lock to make multiple all pro teams and the HOF or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, kdko said: Unless you're the genius that is Belichick Isn't he responsible for recognizing the talent in the 7th round pick of Brady? Why did he spend a 2nd round pick on Garoppolo? Belichick is a great coach, but if he knew how good Brady was he would have taken the player in round 1, trading uo to get him. Nope, his crystal ball is also broken. But, he knew enough to sit and trade Drew for Tom. In this case he made a different choice. Maybe that is the history you should be looking to...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: no...when people mentioned how smart HE was...... ya...everyone is allowed to whiff on some picks/moves...and if you look at belichicks history here in NE he has quite a few......there was a time where people started to wonder if holding both positions was a little too much for him ......hes def not infallible when it comess to some of his personnel moves...although nobody is close to 100 percent so its understanable belichick and co also spent a 3rd rounder on a guy named kevin o'connell once......that guy didnt pan out too well....everyone was all giddy about ryan mallett too at one point.....he aint nothing special and is just a backup..... i like jimmy....i dont wanna keep repating it....but some of you talk as if hes a surefire lock to make multiple all pro teams and the HOF or something Ahhhh, I gotcha. And I don't think that's what some of us have been saying, just that at some point you have to make the conscious choice to pass the torch on, and there are a myriad of factors that play into that, e.g: salary cap, timing, etc. And the fact that letting Garoppolo go must have been caused some inner turmoil amongst the brass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Caveman_Nick said: Belichick is a great coach, but if he knew how good Brady was he would have taken the player in round 1, trading uo to get him. Nope, his crystal ball is also broken. But, he knew enough to sit and trade Drew for Tom. In this case he made a different choice. Maybe that is the history you should be looking to...? I agree with you on that. Brady was also regarded pretty lightly coming out of college, maybe Belichick knew he could snag him later since he was gathering little interest. Risky gamble if you're high on someone, but.. the genius! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, kdko said: Ahhhh, I gotcha. And I don't think that's what some of us have been saying, just that at some point you have to make the conscious choice to pass the torch on, and there are a myriad of factors that play into that, e.g: salary cap, timing, etc. And the fact that letting Garoppolo go must have been caused some inner turmoil amongst the brass. like ive said before a few times....its easy for alot of you guys to say "pass the torch" or "eventually its gonna end probably real soon" for guys that havent been following this team your entire lives....and been a part of the last 17 year run.......it would be one thing if brady wasnt looking at an MVP award and having won 2 out of the last 3 superbowls......it might be a different story....but brady is still in the midst of adding to the greatest legacy in NFL history........the timing for garapollo was just off here in new england......i really dont think it caused much turmoil because i think everyone sort of understand what i was saying......if things had turned out differently for brady in the last 3 years it very well could have been a changing of the guard already or coming up this offseason..... it would be insane to move on from brady in the offseason...especially when we dont know how this year will end.....and you would have risked getting nothing for garappolo....the timing was just way off......belichick might very well love garappolo...but cooler head prevailed....belichicks and bradys legacies are tied to each other....even belichick realizes it....all this "belichick wants to win with another qb to prove hes more important" stuff is nonsense....belichick knows what brady means to this organization and region of the country....he may have a real soft spot for jimmy and feel a bit of sadness that he never got to see it through with him....but at the end of the day he knows what tom is....timing just wasnt right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 You’re wasting your keystrokes. They don’t get it. They don’t get that Bill’s choices are always a mix of how can i look to the future without taking away my chance to win now. That’s how he has operated for 17 years, and I’d be shocked if he changed his MO now. What’s best for the football team is up for interpretation, of course. Personally ai think the organization has earned Ny benefit of the doubt, especially if the doubt is arguing why you should have traded TB12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Caveman_Nick said: You’re wasting your keystrokes. They don’t get it. They don’t get that Bill’s choices are always a mix of how can i look to the future without taking away my chance to win now. That’s how he has operated for 17 years, and I’d be shocked if he changed his MO now. What’s best for the football team is up for interpretation, of course. Personally ai think the organization has earned Ny benefit of the doubt, especially if the doubt is arguing why you should have traded TB12. i think alot of these guys are having a hard time understanding it from our, and the organizations, perspective....... like if phillip rivers had tom bradys resume.....and expressed his desire to continue playing.....they wouldnt even consider, for a second, replacing him for a guy with 60 something career pass attempts..... i think at the end of the day the chance to cement an untoppable legacy for both brady and belichick trumps anything and is the prevailing theme....i dont think either of these guys is eager to try and prove they are bigger than the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, MTSuper7 said: Nobody compares to Brady, and I'm not saying Jimmy G is the next Brady. But he would have been the next face of the franchise if he stayed. Brady is going to be 41 next year, dude. Do you really buy into this "play until I'm 45" nonsense? He is going to fall off a cliff sooner than later. It's not unreasonable to consider moving on before that happens. And if Belichick really, truly thought Jimmy G had the "it" factor to be a really good, if not great, QB, then it's not out of the question to keep him and move on from Brady. If anything, Belichick might have the ego to want to prove that Brady isn't the primary reason for the long-term success of the franchise, and Jimmy G might have been his best opportunity to prove it. The fact that a mediocre QB like Matt Cassel went 11-5 in Brady's stead is reason to suspect that a truly good QB could duplicate the success that the team has had (note, I am not saying Brady's personal successes like his otherworldly TD:INT ratio, PFF rating, etc.). The fact that Brady has performed at this level for so long is unprecedented for a QB. So yeah, I don't think it is unreasonable to consider Brady the present of the franchise but not the future. I guess this stance is laughable? Well said, I've thought that too. Also the fact that Cassell basically sucked as the Chiefs starter is pretty clear indication a lot of his success was the Pats system and supporting cast (defense is also a huge part of it, while they may not always be ranked high they seem to know how to win the big games). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 you guys do realize that the supporting cast cassel had was pretty much the same one that brady left with a lead on the cusp of going 19-0 and broke the td record with right? if belichick thought the pats system was the main catalyst behind the teams success and bradys success i doubt he would have gone out of his way to call him the best to ever do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, Caveman_Nick said: You’re wasting your keystrokes. They don’t get it. They don’t get that Bill’s choices are always a mix of how can i look to the future without taking away my chance to win now. That’s how he has operated for 17 years, and I’d be shocked if he changed his MO now. What’s best for the football team is up for interpretation, of course. Personally ai think the organization has earned Ny benefit of the doubt, especially if the doubt is arguing why you should have traded TB12. It's hard not to view you guys as being smug eliteists with comments like this. That being said, I prefer to keep the conversation civil. 1 hour ago, Caveman_Nick said: This is simple: the team could not keep both players. brady is still playing at an elite+ level. they are trying to win championships. You, in their position, would trade Brady. I think that is laughable when comparing him to a guy who, at the time, had played 6 quarters and gone on IR. Utterly, undeniably laughable. Ludicrous. Crazy. Nuts. I don’t have a crystal ball, Garoppolo might be the next Brady. There is no way to know, and no way anyone looking out for the best interest of their team for 2017-2018 wouls make a different decision. The argument for Garoppolo is/was an utter fantasy when the deal was made and even today with his 7TD to 5INT stat line. First, trading Brady would have been brand suicide if they did so during the season. I don't recall saying they had to trade Brady during this season, but maybe I did in a moment of idiocy. Trading him is a pretty big challenge considering he is closer to an AARP card than his days at Michigan (I live in Ann Arbor and have followed this guy's career since he was here). I'd guess that he might have no-trade clause verbiage in his contract, for starters. I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't be surprising if he did. Regardless, I think there is a certain level of emotional nut-huggery of Brady going on here. Nobody seems to care that Brady is certain to begin his descent as soon as next year (heck, maybe even this postseason). I guess it's going to be Marino all over again here... Let the guy play until he throws 6 INTs against the Jaguars in a first round playoff dud. In the short term, it does look crazy to consider trading or cutting Brady, especially if the Pats win the SB again. We will never know how well Garoppolo would have done as the next face of the Patriots. But if I own the team, and my head coach doesn't want to trade the backup QB who has been groomed to take over the reins, I'm not sure it's a savvy business move to side with the almost 41-year-old franchise QB. Come on... NFL franchises are money makers, and the Patriots would easily survive the decision. People go insane over Brady because he's the GOAT and has all the rings. But QB is the single hardest position to find out there, so you're really rolling the dice by hoping to groom someone else to take over. I guess enjoy your run this year, maybe next if Brady stays elite. It's easy to take the sure thing for the next 2 years compared to the "might be great" for the next 10-12. There's certainly a much better chance that Brady falls off a cliff by 2019 than Garoppolo being a bust / lower quality NFL starter. Fun discussion. If I'm insane, I guess I'll embrace it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, MTSuper7 said: It's hard not to view you guys as being smug eliteists with comments like this. That being said, I prefer to keep the conversation civil. First, trading Brady would have been brand suicide if they did so during the season. I don't recall saying they had to trade Brady during this season, but maybe I did in a moment of idiocy. Trading him is a pretty big challenge considering he is closer to an AARP card than his days at Michigan (I live in Ann Arbor and have followed this guy's career since he was here). I'd guess that he might have no-trade clause verbiage in his contract, for starters. I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't be surprising if he did. Regardless, I think there is a certain level of emotional nut-huggery of Brady going on here. Nobody seems to care that Brady is certain to begin his descent as soon as next year (heck, maybe even this postseason). I guess it's going to be Marino all over again here... Let the guy play until he throws 6 INTs against the Jaguars in a first round playoff dud. In the short term, it does look crazy to consider trading or cutting Brady, especially if the Pats win the SB again. We will never know how well Garoppolo would have done as the next face of the Patriots. But if I own the team, and my head coach doesn't want to trade the backup QB who has been groomed to take over the reins, I'm not sure it's a savvy business move to side with the almost 41-year-old franchise QB. Come on... NFL franchises are money makers, and the Patriots would easily survive the decision. People go insane over Brady because he's the GOAT and has all the rings. But QB is the single hardest position to find out there, so you're really rolling the dice by hoping to groom someone else to take over. I guess enjoy your run this year, maybe next if Brady stays elite. It's easy to take the sure thing for the next 2 years compared to the "might be great" for the next 10-12. There's certainly a much better chance that Brady falls off a cliff by 2019 than Garoppolo being a bust / lower quality NFL starter. Fun discussion. If I'm insane, I guess I'll embrace it. It is not smug or elitism. It’s recognition of a hater stance, pure and simple. Not one person in this whole thread has presented a viable alternative to the actions taken by the franchise. Trade Brady? Nope, for many reason. Keep both? Untenable. Can’t be done financially without taking the rest of the team to the toilet, which they will never do. Hold out for more for Jimmy G? What if you can’t get more? Rumors that some team would have given XYZ more are just media junk. Has any team released a statement that they would have given much more? If any team had made a better offer to the Pats at any time, the league would be going bonkers trying to stick collusion charges up the Pat’s keister. There is no way “Team B” wouldn’t have filed a grievance with the league. We all know this. The whole argument is just dumb, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, MTSuper7 said: It's hard not to view you guys as being smug eliteists with comments like this. That being said, I prefer to keep the conversation civil. First, trading Brady would have been brand suicide if they did so during the season. I don't recall saying they had to trade Brady during this season, but maybe I did in a moment of idiocy. Trading him is a pretty big challenge considering he is closer to an AARP card than his days at Michigan (I live in Ann Arbor and have followed this guy's career since he was here). I'd guess that he might have no-trade clause verbiage in his contract, for starters. I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't be surprising if he did. Regardless, I think there is a certain level of emotional nut-huggery of Brady going on here. Nobody seems to care that Brady is certain to begin his descent as soon as next year (heck, maybe even this postseason). I guess it's going to be Marino all over again here... Let the guy play until he throws 6 INTs against the Jaguars in a first round playoff dud. In the short term, it does look crazy to consider trading or cutting Brady, especially if the Pats win the SB again. We will never know how well Garoppolo would have done as the next face of the Patriots. But if I own the team, and my head coach doesn't want to trade the backup QB who has been groomed to take over the reins, I'm not sure it's a savvy business move to side with the almost 41-year-old franchise QB. Come on... NFL franchises are money makers, and the Patriots would easily survive the decision. People go insane over Brady because he's the GOAT and has all the rings. But QB is the single hardest position to find out there, so you're really rolling the dice by hoping to groom someone else to take over. I guess enjoy your run this year, maybe next if Brady stays elite. It's easy to take the sure thing for the next 2 years compared to the "might be great" for the next 10-12. There's certainly a much better chance that Brady falls off a cliff by 2019 than Garoppolo being a bust / lower quality NFL starter. Fun discussion. If I'm insane, I guess I'll embrace it. theres definitley a level of "emotional nut huggery ofr brady" going on here...and like i said...until you can stand in our shoes you wouldnt understand.........it can never be marino all over again because marino didnt win 2 out of 3 superbowl in the twilight of his career.....did marino come close to winning an MVP in his last two full years? its not comparible.....brady put on one of the best 2nd halfs in SB history and then led the greatest comeback probably in sports history....and is on the cusp of winning an MVP and maybe another SB! it can never be comparible.......this is what you guys seem to be missing and what he means when he says "these guys dont get it" you guys are looking at it from a completely different perspective than someone who has been in throes of it for 17 years......you keep talking about the end and you are acting like brady threw for 3200 yards with 22 tds and 14 ints and has never won a superbowl....it has nothing to do with being "smug elitists".....you just cant actually see things from the same perspective...its impossible.......and its apparent because you are bringing up marino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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