Dcat Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Can't wait. Should be an intense competetion. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 NFL sure praying for the Pats and Vikes( vikes soley due to hometown sb intrigue) to win no doubt. Can u imagine the interest of a Foles vs Bortles SB ... wow. For the die hard football fan they're gonna watch no matter what but the SB gets the bandwagoner fan when the game has intrigue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Philly in the SB would at least ignite a big market area....wouldn’t be the worst thing. Jax is not compelling. The Pats give people a reason to watch, even if it’s by and large a negative reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I really like tis jags team and hope its a great game next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, Caveman_Nick said: Philly in the SB would at least ignite a big market area....wouldn’t be the worst thing. Jax is not compelling. The Pats give people a reason to watch, even if it’s by and large a negative reason. I.donno if I can stomach it LOL .. if vs Vikes ill watch to hope they lose. If vs Eagles they'll dominate so ill likely not watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Man, no insult meant to the teams or their fans but I'd imagine viewership would be down with a Vikings/Jags SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Totally off topic, but you know whats a bit amazing about Jax and their offense? They've been without arguably their best offensive weapon ( before Fournette came in) since 1st Q of week 1, Allen Robinson, I had totally forgotten about him. This team if they get a QB and when they get him back, holy smokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 i seriously wouldnt doubt that brady could beat the jags with those 6 guys and that 1 woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: i seriously wouldnt doubt that brady could beat the jags with those 6 guys and that 1 woman This is the same mindset Pittsburgh had about facing Jacksonville 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, jamesplante11 said: This is the same mindset Pittsburgh had about facing Jacksonville im allowed to have this mindset as im just a fan.....i doubt the players and coaches in new england are taking the steelers approach though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: im allowed to have this mindset as im just a fan.....i doubt the players and coaches in new england are taking the steelers approach though Rumor or has it Tomlin’s game plan vs NE was better than the Jacksonville game plan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 hours ago, jamesplante11 said: Rumor or has it Tomlin’s game plan vs NE was better than the Jacksonville game plan Confirmed , he has a chance to execute it now at the PB , perfect no def Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 11 hours ago, jamesplante11 said: Rumor or has it Tomlin’s game plan vs NE was better than the Jacksonville game plan hard to envision a worse gameplan than one that had them running toss sweeps and 20 yard pass plays on 4th and a foot...then again maybe if ben wasn't the size of vince wilfork they would have run a couple of sneaks.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: hard to envision a worse gameplan than one that had them running toss sweeps and 20 yard pass plays on 4th and a foot...then again maybe if ben wasn't the size of vince wilfork they would have run a couple of sneaks.... I am all for an offense doing the opposite of what is expected. When people complain about play calling, they are usually complaining that the team didn't do what was predictable. But running a sweep on 4th and 1 is just stupid. It is so easy for a defense to tackle for a loss in space. Throwing a deep pass would have been better. And a quarterback sneak is predictable but still usually effective. Big Ben probably weighs 260. Does he have a history of being bad at quarterback sneaks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, michaelredd9 said: I am all for an offense doing the opposite of what is expected. When people complain about play calling, they are usually complaining that the team didn't do what was predictable. But running a sweep on 4th and 1 is just stupid. It is so easy for a defense to tackle for a loss in space. Throwing a deep pass would have been better. And a quarterback sneak is predictable but still usually effective. Big Ben probably weighs 260. Does he have a history of being bad at quarterback sneaks? I get your point....but there are certain times where a simple fielding of a snap and quick arm extension is all that is needed.....and you are exactly right.....running a toss sweep gives the defense more time to penetrate and hit gaps I'm not sure what bens track record is with qb sneaks is....but id imagine it should be decent...hes a big guy that's always been a bit slippery for his size.....brady wouldn't have hesitated to run a sneak on either of those plays....in fact id envision ie would have ignored any other play call and ran up there as fast as he could and snapped that thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: I get your point....but there are certain times where a simple fielding of a snap and quick arm extension is all that is needed.....and you are exactly right.....running a toss sweep gives the defense more time to penetrate and hit gaps I'm not sure what bens track record is with qb sneaks is....but id imagine it should be decent...hes a big guy that's always been a bit slippery for his size.....brady wouldn't have hesitated to run a sneak on either of those plays....in fact id envision ie would have ignored any other play call and ran up there as fast as he could and snapped that thing 18 for 19 career which is actually better than Tom who is regarded as the best at it. Edited January 16, 2018 by Gourdeau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Gourdeau said: 18 for 19 career which is actually better than Tom who is regarded as the best at it. which makes the plays that actually happened all the more puzzling.....and I would blame everyone...from the play call...to the coach who didn't overrule it...to the qb who didn't ditch it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Yup Ben is notorious for blaming others, I love em, without him we aren't a playoff team, but bro youve been in the league 14 years, you are at that level that u can twll the coach to pound sand if u disagree with a call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, Gourdeau said: Yup Ben is notorious for blaming others, I love em, without him we aren't a playoff team, but bro youve been in the league 14 years, you are at that level that u can twll the coach to pound sand if u disagree with a call definitley I think a lot of teams around the league( I don't know this to be true) spend too much time on formations, assignments and tendencies....and forget to practice situational football......I mean real situational football on a consistent basis......so much of what comes up during the course of a game is that.......there comes a point where you probably overprepare on a lot of the other stuff and it doesn't even help that much I know brady has said in recent years that while he still prepares very well that its a lot less than it used to be....because he realized a lot of it was too much and pointless and theres a point where you are as prepared as you can be.......my guess is a lot of teams don't really spend enough time on basic situational stuff......ben should have had them up at the line ASAP ready to snap that thing and get his arms out I also think as a head coach there should be a point where you have a good level of trust and confidence in your coordinators that they can call their game and you should be focused on all other little things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just seen on article from Pitt post gazette. Hasnt done a sneak since 2014. That is coaching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Gourdeau said: Just seen on article from Pitt post gazette. Hasnt done a sneak since 2014. That is coaching it is......to a degree....like I said though...in those situations brady isn't even taking a play call and is getting his guys up there as fast as possible and getting it snapped.....its just situational football and the qb should be able to make that call......as you mentioned its ben....its not landry jones out there....ben has earned the right to make the call on his own.......its really everyones fault but ben was the last one that could have put a stop to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Well here is the answer i guess. Wasn't searching for this at all lol, coincidentally showed up on my twitter feed seconds after I read your comment. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/16/big-ben-says-hes-not-allowed-to-check-to-a-fourth-and-1-quarterback-sneak/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Edited January 16, 2018 by Gourdeau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, jamesplante11 said: This is the same mindset Pittsburgh had about facing Jacksonville And they still almost beat them. Imagine if the Pats can stay focused for just 3 quarters. ETA: With Brady, may only need 2. Edited January 16, 2018 by irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 45 minutes ago, Gourdeau said: Well here is the answer i guess. Wasn't searching for this at all lol, coincidentally showed up on my twitter feed seconds after I read your comment. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/16/big-ben-says-hes-not-allowed-to-check-to-a-fourth-and-1-quarterback-sneak/amp/?__twitter_impression=true that's pretty sad IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said: that's pretty sad IMO On two fronts. 1 that Tomlin doesn't trust his HOF QB and 2 that Ben would not keep this in house, 2 just speaks volumes to me about the lack of respect for the coaching staff, few other leaders coming out saying there is something missing and that talent can only take them so far ( coaching and discipline which goes hand and hand ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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