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Just heard.  Cleveland is not messing around.  You can ink Barkley in at 1.01 now.  Minkah Fitzpatrick at 1.04 and how much you wanna bet they swing for the fences with Lamar Jackson in the 2nd if he's there.

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Think the Taylor trade was a boneheaded move, he doesn't offer them much of an upgrade at QB (imo), and won't make this offense sing.  They could have gotten a better bridge QB.

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35 minutes ago, darin3 said:

Just heard.  Cleveland is not messing around.  You can ink Barkley in at 1.01 now.  Minkah Fitzpatrick at 1.04 and how much you wanna bet they swing for the fences with Lamar Jackson in the 2nd if he's there.

Couldn't agree more. I just thought that AJ McCarron would be their next QB.

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The next Mike glennon

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1 hour ago, kdko said:

Think the Taylor trade was a boneheaded move, he doesn't offer them much of an upgrade at QB (imo), and won't make this offense sing.  They could have gotten a better bridge QB.

 

This....all those wideouts and you trade for a risk adverse noodle armed running QB.  Well done? :unsure:

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31 minutes ago, jamesplante11 said:

 

McCarron?

tyrod. Many thought Glennon would be the starter, but turned out to be a very short-term bridge QB. at a cost of 3rd round pick, CLE puts themselves in a good position to do whatever they want. They could still sign AJ, or try to get Cousins. They could still draft a QB at 1.01, but i still think they should take Saquon.

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slightly shocked doesn't begin to qualify my feelings.

at least he doesn't turn the ball over, something the Browns' QBs were not adept at last season

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1 hour ago, loaf said:

slightly shocked doesn't begin to qualify my feelings.

at least he doesn't turn the ball over, something the Browns' QBs were not adept at last season

fyi fwiw, DEN was trying to get Tyrod. DEN also tried to get Tyrod last year and the year before.

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If Bradford can stand, I think he would have been a better gamble.  That O-line might have been able to keep him upright.

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15 hours ago, darin3 said:

Just heard.  Cleveland is not messing around.  You can ink Barkley in at 1.01 now.  Minkah Fitzpatrick at 1.04 and how much you wanna bet they swing for the fences with Lamar Jackson in the 2nd if he's there.

 

Assumption: Cousins lands in Minnesota.

 

It will be Barkley at pick #1 and either Allen or Mayfield at 4.  Taylor is a hold the fort guy for them.  

 

Giants will take Darnold or Rosen at #2.  Eli will play his final season for the giants this year

 

Colts would take Barkley if he were there, but he's going to Browns at #1 so Colts will trade back, hopefully to #6 with the Jets (that way the Colts can still get Chubb or Fitzpatrick).  I doubt they trade as far back as the Dolphins #11 or the Bills pair of later 1st rounders.

 

Cleveland will take Mayfield or Allen at 4.

 

Denver will take Allen or Mayfield at #5

 

Jets, if they don't trade up, will once again be left standing around, with Macagnan and Todd Bowels both holding their d*cks in front of the world to see.

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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Talking to a few executives, they doubt the Cleveland Browns will take Penn State running back Saquon Barkley with the No. 1 pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.

The word "shocked" came up.

The consensus was that John Dorsey was hired to find the long-term answer at quarterback. The previous front office was replaced partly because they failed to do so.

So why would the new general manager have a chance to grab any quarterback in the draft -- that's right, anyone available -- and take a running back instead?

This is not the 2013 draft, where the top quarterbacks were EJ Manuel (No. 16, Buffalo Bills), Geno Smith (No. 39, N.Y. Jets) and Mike Glennon (No. 73, Tampa Bay Buccaneers).

There are real quarterbacks available at the top of the first round. Four are expected to go very high: Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield.

"I also think Mason Rudolph could be a starter on the right team," said one executive. "He could go in the first round."

Rudolph played in a pass-obsessed system at Oklahoma State. He'll have to learn the pro game, much like Jared Goff did. They both came out of the "Air Raid" offenses where a quarterback doesn't huddle up and is seldom under center.

That alone won't scare Dorsey. Last year, he traded up in the 2017 draft to pick Patrick Mahomes at No. 10 for the Kansas City Chiefs. At Texas Tech, Mahomes played in an offense similar to Rudolph's at Oklahoma State.

This is not to say the Browns are drafting Rudolph.

It is to say Dorsey will not write off a quarterback simply because of the offense.

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7 minutes ago, loaf said:

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Talking to a few executives, they doubt the Cleveland Browns will take Penn State running back Saquon Barkley with the No. 1 pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.

The word "shocked" came up.

The consensus was that John Dorsey was hired to find the long-term answer at quarterback. The previous front office was replaced partly because they failed to do so.

So why would the new general manager have a chance to grab any quarterback in the draft -- that's right, anyone available -- and take a running back instead?

This is not the 2013 draft, where the top quarterbacks were EJ Manuel (No. 16, Buffalo Bills), Geno Smith (No. 39, N.Y. Jets) and Mike Glennon (No. 73, Tampa Bay Buccaneers).

There are real quarterbacks available at the top of the first round. Four are expected to go very high: Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield.

"I also think Mason Rudolph could be a starter on the right team," said one executive. "He could go in the first round."

Rudolph played in a pass-obsessed system at Oklahoma State. He'll have to learn the pro game, much like Jared Goff did. They both came out of the "Air Raid" offenses where a quarterback doesn't huddle up and is seldom under center.

That alone won't scare Dorsey. Last year, he traded up in the 2017 draft to pick Patrick Mahomes at No. 10 for the Kansas City Chiefs. At Texas Tech, Mahomes played in an offense similar to Rudolph's at Oklahoma State.

This is not to say the Browns are drafting Rudolph.

It is to say Dorsey will not write off a quarterback simply because of the offense.

 

wrong.  Barkley is unique.  There is no one else like him in this draft.  One of Rosen, Mayfield, Allen or Darnold will be there at pick #4.  Cleveland comes away with the best RB in the draft and its future QB (most likely Mayfield or Allen) drafted at slot 4.  Plus they can compete quickly with Tyrod Taylor as their 'hold-the-fort' QB until the rookie is ready.  Adding Landry to the slot with Gordon and Coleman at wideout was genius too.   Not to mention the TWO good rookie TEs they drafted last year in Njoku and DeValve.  

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Dcat said:

 

wrong.  Barkley is unique.  There is no one else like him in this draft.  One of Rosen, Mayfield, Allen or Darnold will be there at pick #4.  Cleveland comes away with the best RB in the draft and its future QB (most likely Mayfield or Allen) drafted at slot 4.  Plus they can compete quickly with Tyrod Taylor as their 'hold-the-fort' QB until the rookie is ready.  Adding Landry to the slot with Gordon and Coleman at wideout was genius too.   Not to mention the TWO good rookie TEs they drafted last year in Njoku and DeValve.  

 

 

 

DeValve was drafted the year prior, not last year

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I get it, Dcat and I want Barkley at 1 as well. Pluto's right more than wrong so it has me a little nervous

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19 minutes ago, Dcat said:

 

wrong.  Barkley is unique.  There is no one else like him in this draft.  One of Rosen, Mayfield, Allen or Darnold will be there at pick #4.  Cleveland comes away with the best RB in the draft and its future QB (most likely Mayfield or Allen) drafted at slot 4.  Plus they can compete quickly with Tyrod Taylor as their 'hold-the-fort' QB until the rookie is ready.  Adding Landry to the slot with Gordon and Coleman at wideout was genius too.   Not to mention the TWO good rookie TEs they drafted last year in Njoku and DeValve.  

 

 

Actually 2 of those 4 QBs will be there at #4 if the Browns take Barkley. So they need to decide which ones they're comfortable with, then decide if their 1st choice plus somebody like Fitzpatrick at 4 is better than Barkley and at worst their 4th choice. There is definitely pressure to take a QB at 1, but hopefully Dorsey has room to operate as he sees fit.

 

He could take QB at 1 and still pick the wrong one jeopardizing his career.

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1 hour ago, stevegrab said:

Actually 2 of those 4 QBs will be there at #4 if the Browns take Barkley. So they need to decide which ones they're comfortable with, then decide if their 1st choice plus somebody like Fitzpatrick at 4 is better than Barkley and at worst their 4th choice. There is definitely pressure to take a QB at 1, but hopefully Dorsey has room to operate as he sees fit.

 

He could take QB at 1 and still pick the wrong one jeopardizing his career.

 

 

Exactly.  Browns have a huge need at QB, but they'll still have a great choice at #4.  You don't pass up Michael Jordan when he's on the board to cater to your need.

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i understand that minkah is a special talent, but don't "they" say that a good defense is a good run game?

Would Dak Prescot have looked so great if they didn't have EE? A special RB would take so much pressure off of a young QB.

and as I said before, Dan Marino was the 5th QB drafted in 1983 and arguably as good as Elway and Kelley and better than the other two. I can't fathom them passing on Saquon.

 

is this a "smokescreen"? If so, why bother?

Does anyone believe that Saquon gets by IND at #3?

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3 hours ago, stevegrab said:

... and at worst their 4th choice....

just technically, the worst possibility is their #3 favorite QB.

is anyone reading that one of these QBs has separated himself from the rest?

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5 hours ago, Dcat said:

 

wrong.  Barkley is unique.  There is no one else like him in this draft.  One of Rosen, Mayfield, Allen or Darnold will be there at pick #4.  Cleveland comes away with the best RB in the draft and its future QB (most likely Mayfield or Allen) drafted at slot 4.  Plus they can compete quickly with Tyrod Taylor as their 'hold-the-fort' QB until the rookie is ready.  Adding Landry to the slot with Gordon and Coleman at wideout was genius too.   Not to mention the TWO good rookie TEs they drafted last year in Njoku and DeValve.  

 

 

 have to agree with this

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If they don't take Barkley at #1, i've lost all hope and will be depressed for my dad and the rest of the Browns fanbase.  

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