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Just now, LordOpie said:

what I mean is, most people don't need to spend hours and hours doing their own research like we all had to 20 years ago.

Sounds like CowboysDiehard is burned out, so spending all that time would be the opposite of what he needs. Cutting back to 1-2 leagues and using ADP data might be better for him. But I think leagues are won on trading more than anything else and that's economics, not football.

granted, my view is skewed because it's easier to do in dynasty and I haven't played redraft in years, so I'm probably wrong :)

well its true most guys dont have to spend the time these days because thats what pay sites are for...most guys are paying to have someone do the work for them.....but paid sites are never 100 percent accurate and projections are off on alot of guys every week....if projections came through we could just set our lineups and not even play the game right?

 

analytics and "research" go hand in hand basically...

 

i believe that ff is part analytics and part eyeball test...if you arent watching much football but trying to play the FF game i doubt you will be very successful honestly...because you will miss things and not pick up on things.......look at baseball....most believe that you could literally have a computer manage a baseball game....most of these guys are going off advances analytics....but you will find times where they will deviate and go with their gut and leave a pitcher in longer than the "book" would tell them too....or make other moves that are basically gut feelings....

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5 minutes ago, forever in debt to mo lewis said:

well its true most guys dont have to spend the time these days because thats what pay sites are for...most guys are paying to have someone do the work for them.....but paid sites are never 100 percent accurate and projections are off on alot of guys every week....if projections came through we could just set our lineups and not even play the game right?

 

analytics and "research" go hand in hand basically...

 

i believe that ff is part analytics and part eyeball test...if you arent watching much football but trying to play the FF game i doubt you will be very successful honestly...because you will miss things and not pick up on things.......look at baseball....most believe that you could literally have a computer manage a baseball game....most of these guys are going off advances analytics....but you will find times where they will deviate and go with their gut and leave a pitcher in longer than the "book" would tell them too....or make other moves that are basically gut feelings....

good points.

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1 minute ago, LordOpie said:

good points.

i just feel in general that a guy that has 5-10 hours a week to spend researching his team and watching football has an advantage over a guy that spends 1-2 hours a week and only watches him homer team....

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Just now, forever in debt to mo lewis said:

i just feel in general that a guy that has 5-10 hours a week to spend researching his team and watching football has an advantage over a guy that spends 1-2 hours a week and only watches him homer team....

i'm currently in first place (total points) in two of my three dynasty leagues, but maybe you're right. Maybe I do more research than I realized and had only chalked up my success to cost/profit evaluations instead of research.

i guess one key aspect is that you have to find this fun.

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8 minutes ago, LordOpie said:

i'm currently in first place (total points) in two of my three dynasty leagues, but maybe you're right. Maybe I do more research than I realized and had only chalked up my success to cost/profit evaluations instead of research.

i guess one key aspect is that you have to find this fun.

i agree...you have to enjoy doing it...ive always enjoyed it and cant envision a day when i wont..ive always loved football since i was a child....id spend most of my saturdays watching college football all day with my father...even when i was like 6....i was fascinated....i would consider myself a junky...granted i spend less time watching college than i used to now as im older and have more to worry about...i actually wish i had more time to watch it.....i used to subscribe to recruiting newsletters when i was like 12...i wanted to know who the future stars were even then....id agree though now that its probably less important to pay attention to that stuff now as college football is drastically different than it was back then and its tougher to project as offenses are spread....

 

anyways...yeah...a part of me always feels like i can make a difference in winning/losing in this game...even if in reality is all just luck and doesnt matter what i do...ive convinced myself i can

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I'm kinda with @CowboysDiehard on this one.  I've been playing fantasy football for 20 years or so now.  I've had some success in the past, but these past 5 or 6 years - every season I wonder why I do this?  A few years ago I was in 8 leagues.  That's when it all went downhill.  This year I'm only doing 2 and I feel that it's 2 too many.  These past 3 weeks I haven't even watched much.  I got the ticket and RedZone channel, but I've found myself wanting to play Xbox more than I have wanted to watch football. 

 

It's not directly related to fantasy as I'm 5-4 in one league and 7-2 in another.  I know @irish took the year off last year and not sure he came back to play this season.  Wondering how that went - did a year off make a difference?  Did you miss it last year?  Did you regret not playing?  

 

My loss of interest in the NFL is (I think) more to do with how much of a paddy-cake league it's become.  Can't touch the QB's helmet, let alone tackle him.  Can't tackle a defender if he's not prepared for the tackle.  Can't celebrate a score.  It's like the NFL wants these 55-53 scores each week.  What's the point of defense then?  I enjoy watching a good defense more than I enjoy watching someone run up the score.  I don't know.  Maybe it's just me getting old - who knows... 

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16 hours ago, skylive5 said:

No staying power. Not surprising I guess as you are a dallas fan. 

I haven't won a penny since 2005. But then I don't play for the

money, I play for the enjoyment of the competition with friends.

 

Suck it up and act like a Redskins fan instead of a dallas fan.

 

 

 

I haven't won much in years, and it hasn't really been much fun in the past few years either. I may be done as well, 2-7 and looking at last place, which means the first pick, which means I'll draft some promising rookie RB hoping he's a long term part of my team in this keeper league, then watch him be a bust. 

 

PS 20 years of Browns version 2.0 misery hasn't helped. 

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This is the time of year people typically get burnt out. Whether your season was a complete waste of time is becoming more and more clear as these later weeks roll by. All the hype has subsided for over half of the league and it's pretty clear who the league winners are going to be. This year is particularly annoying because 99% of the championship teams are going to have Todd Gurley, Alvin Kamara, Melvin Gordon or James Conner on their team. So good luck if you don't have either of those guys.

 

Been trying to get out of Fantasy for years now. Seems like every year I get roped into a couple of leagues last second because people ask me to join and I can't say no.. RBBC's and the lack of workhorse backs, as well as the offensive rule changes giving rise to viable WRs galore on the waiver wire has killed the game for me this year. I don't have much hope it'll change. If you have a stud RB or two, you're basically guaranteed a Championship appearance given that you're not brain dead on the waiver wire.

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3 minutes ago, Shorttynaz said:

I'm kinda with @CowboysDiehard on this one.  I've been playing fantasy football for 20 years or so now.  I've had some success in the past, but these past 5 or 6 years - every season I wonder why I do this?  A few years ago I was in 8 leagues.  That's when it all went downhill.  This year I'm only doing 2 and I feel that it's 2 too many.  These past 3 weeks I haven't even watched much.  I got the ticket and RedZone channel, but I've found myself wanting to play Xbox more than I have wanted to watch football. 

 

It's not directly related to fantasy as I'm 5-4 in one league and 7-2 in another.  I know @irish took the year off last year and not sure he came back to play this season.  Wondering how that went - did a year off make a difference?  Did you miss it last year?  Did you regret not playing?  

 

My loss of interest in the NFL is (I think) more to do with how much of a paddy-cake league it's become.  Can't touch the QB's helmet, let alone tackle him.  Can't tackle a defender if he's not prepared for the tackle.  Can't celebrate a score.  It's like the NFL wants these 55-53 scores each week.  What's the point of defense then?  I enjoy watching a good defense more than I enjoy watching someone run up the score.  I don't know.  Maybe it's just me getting old - who knows... 

i agree on some of this.....i get it...the rules are changing....but i think once the nfl realizes people are upset with some of the rules/calls they will lighten up a bit...the nfl really had no choice but to show they care/are concerned with player safety as they were/are getting too much flack about it.....i think once its understood they made the effort they will focus more on the product and sort of lighten up on some of the calls...youve already seen it with the roughing the passer stuff...theyve dialed back on it after it caused such a wave/commotion the first few weeks

 

the other thing though ...i think its partly the rules and also part of the evolution of the game....its the same with the nba....the game has evolved...look at what steph curry has done to change it.....offenses are more advanced and have evolved....and defending it is hard and i think eventually the defenses will catch up a bit again....we arent watching 1990s football where routes and concepts were basic...pro football, basketball and baseball are constantly evolving(think about how teams are using bullpens in the playoffs...and how some teams are throwing out 4-5 pitchers and letting them pitch 1-2 innings each in the regular season...so you cant get a good look at the same guy 3 times.....think about how the nba teams are going with non traditional lineups and embracing positionless lineups)....there are so many different routes and concepts now...and variations off them.....and there are a handful of HOF qbs out here now that are good at exploiting them.....

 

if you watched the patriots/packers game last night the patriots defense actually played pretty damn well for a unit not known to be very good...and against one of the best qbs of all time too...it wasnt like some monster performance...but subtly they played really well imo....there are still good defensive performances happening every week....its just tougher out there now

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7 minutes ago, Inziladun said:

This is the time of year people typically get burnt out. Whether your season was a complete waste of time is becoming more and more clear as these later weeks roll by. All the hype has subsided for over half of the league and it's pretty clear who the league winners are going to be. This year is particularly annoying because 99% of the championship teams are going to have Todd Gurley, Alvin Kamara, Melvin Gordon or James Conner on their team. So good luck if you don't have either of those guys.

 

Been trying to get out of Fantasy for years now. Seems like every year I get roped into a couple of leagues last second because people ask me to join and I can't say no.. RBBC's and the lack of workhorse backs, as well as the offensive rule changes giving rise to viable WRs galore on the waiver wire has killed the game for me this year. I don't have much hope it'll change. If you have a stud RB or two, you're basically guaranteed a Championship appearance given that you're not brain dead on the waiver wire.

there are plenty of viable rbs.....its not just gurley, kamara, gordon or conner...theres still kareem hunt, zeke and a saquon out there...and even mcaffrey hasnt been bad at all.....so you almost have a full 1st round of viable #1 rbs that you could build around....and if you werent able to land them you probably had a chance to snag mike thomas and devante adams at the end of the first/top of the 2nd.....and fill in the cracks later....there are plenty of ways to build a competitive roster and ive seen teams win from virtually every spot

 

as i mentioned previously....all games are evolving...just means you have to also....you cant play FF the same way you did 20 years ago...or even 8 years ago....the league changes and you to adapt...as billy beane famously said "adapt or die".....i constantly see the same guys near the top of my high stakes league...they get it...they are shrewd...

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Well let's see.   I pay for the huddle and read their content.  I also use Fantasy Index and Fantasy Pros.  In addition to that, I spend time in my truck listening to Channel 87 on SXM.  Scoring and keeping up with injuries isn't a problem.  The problem currently is that There is the 'Chiefs Guy' and the 'Rams Guy' in a couple of leagues.  They are absolutely thrashing everybody.  I know them, they do squat for research.  Good for them, obviously.  

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1 hour ago, Shorttynaz said:

I'm kinda with @CowboysDiehard on this one.  I've been playing fantasy football for 20 years or so now.  I've had some success in the past, but these past 5 or 6 years - every season I wonder why I do this?  A few years ago I was in 8 leagues.  That's when it all went downhill.  This year I'm only doing 2 and I feel that it's 2 too many.  These past 3 weeks I haven't even watched much.  I got the ticket and RedZone channel, but I've found myself wanting to play Xbox more than I have wanted to watch football.  

 

Been playing a bit more myself now that colder weather is hear.  Working on RD2 right now...slow starting, but it's finally picking up a little steam. Lots to do.

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11 minutes ago, CowboysDiehard said:

Well let's see.   I pay for the huddle and read their content.  I also use Fantasy Index and Fantasy Pros.  In addition to that, I spend time in my truck listening to Channel 87 on SXM.  Scoring and keeping up with injuries isn't a problem.  The problem currently is that There is the 'Chiefs Guy' and the 'Rams Guy' in a couple of leagues.  They are absolutely thrashing everybody.  I know them, they do squat for research.  Good for them, obviously.  

when you say "rams guy" or "chiefs guy" you mean team homers that just load up on their players?...cause im not a rams guy yet i have a gurley/goff stack and im a patriots "guy"(although i mix it up with ryan and goff)...its just smart....the rams and chiefs are a good bet to score 4 tds a game on offense...and you are pretty much locking in their points....same with the chiefs...if they arent team homers and are loaded up than perhaps they are smarter than you think

 

i understand even the best laid plans can go awry...teams can seem great on paper and then get decimated by injury or underperformance....sometimes a bit of both

 

the way i look at is this...if you take a 10 year period and you havent finished in the top 3 at all you either stink at what youre doing or you have bad luck.....so either get better or just wait it out for your luck to turn

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5 hours ago, CowboysDiehard said:

 

Been playing a bit more myself now that colder weather is hear.  Working on RD2 right now...slow starting, but it's finally picking up a little steam. Lots to do.

Just started RDR2.  Just finished Tomb Raider and been foolin around with Assassins Creed.  

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9 minutes ago, Shorttynaz said:

Just started RDR2.  Just finished Tomb Raider and been foolin around with Assassins Creed.  

my son has been trying to get me to play fortnite. But finding times for video games is too difficult.

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1 minute ago, LordOpie said:

my son has been trying to get me to play fortnite. But finding times for video games is too difficult.

Theres always time

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9 hours ago, LordOpie said:

i don't know who those guys are

Their full names are not to be spoken, kinda like "He who should not be named".

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Just now, Shorttynaz said:

Theres always time

I've been playing in my backyard with bushcraft ideas.

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2 hours ago, Shorttynaz said:

Just started RDR2.  Just finished Tomb Raider and been foolin around with Assassins Creed.  

 

I keep losing my hat, lol.

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When the Seahawks won the Super Bowl my father-in-law remarked that we should appreciate it because no matter how good your team is an awful lot of things need to fall just right to win it all, like the turnover margin, injuries, etc.. Fantasy football is much the same. You could have nailed your draft but the guy who has Gurley also drafted Mahomes as his backup QB and is dominating. Or it's one of those seasons where you play the top weekly point scorer 2 out of every 3 weeks. It can be utterly frustrating. But I find that even if I'm out of the playoff race early I can try to knock off one of the top teams when I play them or somehow manage to get high points for a week or two. Find satisfaction in the minor victories. Here's another idea. Next year draft differently than you normally have. I try to draft the best player available but almost always end up going RB early but some of my best seasons have come when I had to switch gears. One year the elite RB's and WR's were gone at my draft position so I took the only elite player left - Gronk. Paired him up with Brady, nabbed Allen Robinson in his breakout year, hit on Jordan Cameron off the waiver wire and won my BoTH league. So maybe do something different next year just to shake things up a bit.  

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16 hours ago, LordOpie said:

my son has been trying to get me to play fortnite. But finding times for video games is too difficult.

 

The thing about Fortnite and similar games is that when I play XBOX, I'm either down for half an hour, or two hours, but never know when I start how long I want to play.  Both my college age kids are into MMO gaming, and I have to tell you, it's frustrating when dinner is about to be on the table or something needs to be done, and they say "give me fifteen minutes", it's a pain in the ass (they no longer live at home, but this occurs over holidays and on summer break).

 

I'll quit playing a game at the drop of hat to go do something else.

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Plenty of times I have turned off my son's Xbox while he's playing. It's happened enough now that just sighs

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I've considered it in my main local league. My record in that league isn't great over the years yet its not the lack of winning but the caring too much that makes me consider if its worth it or not.

 

Some weeks I do think it'd be nice to just watch the games without caring that Keenan Allen still hasnt caught a TD since week one or that I benched Tevin Coleman the week he went off. 

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1 hour ago, LordOpie said:

Plenty of times I have turned off my son's Xbox while he's playing. It's happened enough now that just sighs

 

Careful or he could do something like this

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/11/mom-took-playstation-away-so-11-year-old-cleveland-boy-led-police-on-second-high-speed-chase-in-13-months.html

 

I got back into video games about a year ago when an old friend resurfaced and I got an XBOX. We get together in person once a month or so, and try to game online at least once a month outside that. Our current favorite game is Rocket League. We love some of the old school shooters we played on PCs years ago like Doom but also play some of the new ones. We're both going to take a day off later this month and get together for an all day gaming session. 

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