Judge Smales Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just curious if others are as frustrated as I am over all of the off the field stuff impacting Fantasy football the last few years. I don't have any stake in Leveon, Connor, Hunt, or Ware this season but just amazed at how fast the team and league dynamics can change with what went down this week with Hunt. I almost think FF is starting to be like playing roulette at the casino and the skill in year long leagues is all but gone. Maybe I am just getting too old and jaded, but remember when it seemed like skill; doing your homework, and keeping up on the WW actually would make a difference. More and more you just need to get lucky by holding a handcuff to someone who did something stupid in the off season, or is a pending Free Agent. Injuries on the field were always part of the game, but the off the field stuff is having a bigger impact on the game (look at Zeke last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 It sucks but that's just the way it is. This just shows the importance of building a deep roster throughout the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Smales Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 You guys are kind of proving my point. Stocking your roster with viable backups is fine and always made sense in case of injury. It's the getting lucky that the handcuff you have gets to play due to off the field issues is what appears to be getting more and more part of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, League_Champion said: It sucks but that's just the way it is. This just shows the importance of building a deep roster throughout the year. I agree. I think I get more irritated with teams that have one great player carrying their entire team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Your impression that skill, doing your homework and such doesn't pay off as much any more has very little to do with guys like Hunt and Bell, and all about available information online. People don't need to do all the research they can pay the huddle, or use one of many other sites (often free) to get the latest info. As for the other aspect, guys like Bell holding out, Hunt and others in trouble with the law, etc. that's just more twists and turns of a sport going thru some changes. Back in the 80s (before I played FF) there were strikes and other things that were much more of a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
char92474 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I was just discussing this with some of the guys in my league today. Back in the day (we've played for over 15 years now) you actually had to do some of your own research. Now people can go online, print out a cheatsheet the morning of the draft while doing zero research otherwise and have just as a good chance to compete. Plus the fact that so many waiver wire adds just come down to who has the best notification system on their phone. It also sucks how much luck has to do with everything. The guy with the first overall pick who took Gurley is going to win a bunch of leagues. The guys last year who took David Johnson first or second overall got screwed. Unfortunately there isn't anything you can do about it. However a few guys in my league are leaning towards quitting my league and playing weekly tournaments instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, char92474 said: I was just discussing this with some of the guys in my league today. Back in the day (we've played for over 15 years now) you actually had to do some of your own research. Now people can go online, print out a cheatsheet the morning of the draft while doing zero research otherwise and have just as a good chance to compete. Plus the fact that so many waiver wire adds just come down to who has the best notification system on their phone. It also sucks how much luck has to do with everything. The guy with the first overall pick who took Gurley is going to win a bunch of leagues. The guys last year who took David Johnson first or second overall got screwed. Unfortunately there isn't anything you can do about it. However a few guys in my league are leaning towards quitting my league and playing weekly tournaments instead. Drafting is only part of the battle. Those same guys that print out cheat sheets are the ones who don't work their roster during the season. They let a web site tell them who to start, who to add. Sometimes it works out for them, but it's still no match for an owner willing to stay active and dig for information. That's not as obvious in smaller leagues, but when you start getting more serious into larger leagues, IDP and dynasty where the talent pool becomes much thinner you really see the difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
char92474 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I'm going to have to disagree with you. Yes, in really deep league or IDP/Dynasty leagues you might gain a slight advantage. But in your average, run-of-the-mill 12 team league it's not going to really make a difference. I used to do a ton of research. I belonged to several pay sites and would study all of them, both before the draft and during the season as well as listen to different podcasts. I would compare all of their cheat sheets and combine all of the knowledge from all of them and create my own cheat sheet. Then I had a kid and didn't have time anymore. I also realized that the guys who publish all of these cheat sheets and articles are watching every single game. This is what they do for a living, there is no way I could learn more in my spare time than they do as a full-time job. I cut back to one pay site and would base the players I liked or disliked based on that site. My fantasy results haven't really changed at all. I win some years, finish at the bottom of others. But that's based more on luck any given year than my lack of research. In my "home" league, we have one guy who does the absolute bare minimum every year and he always finishes at the bottom. But we have some owners like my brother, who plays in one league, prints out a cheat sheet that morning and during the season spending a few minutes each week checking out who CBS recommends as add/drops and starts/sits. We have some owners who spend thousands of dollars in entry fees for all of their leagues, belongs to a ton of pay sites that they scour for advice all year as well as following a ton of fantasy analysts on twitter. And guys like me in the middle. And every year our results vary, and usually it's due to luck. No amount of studying helped the serious player in my league that took David Johnson with his first round pick and McKinnon in the 3rd. He finished in last. My brother did zero research, but he took Barkley, Roethlisberger, James White, Diggs and Ebron strictly because that's who his cheat sheet told him to take. He finished in first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, char92474 said: I'm going to have to disagree with you. Yes, in really deep league or IDP/Dynasty leagues you might gain a slight advantage. But in your average, run-of-the-mill 12 team league it's not going to really make a difference. I used to do a ton of research. I belonged to several pay sites and would study all of them, both before the draft and during the season as well as listen to different podcasts. I would compare all of their cheat sheets and combine all of the knowledge from all of them and create my own cheat sheet. Then I had a kid and didn't have time anymore. I also realized that the guys who publish all of these cheat sheets and articles are watching every single game. This is what they do for a living, there is no way I could learn more in my spare time than they do as a full-time job. I cut back to one pay site and would base the players I liked or disliked based on that site. My fantasy results haven't really changed at all. I win some years, finish at the bottom of others. But that's based more on luck any given year than my lack of research. In my "home" league, we have one guy who does the absolute bare minimum every year and he always finishes at the bottom. But we have some owners like my brother, who plays in one league, prints out a cheat sheet that morning and during the season spending a few minutes each week checking out who CBS recommends as add/drops and starts/sits. We have some owners who spend thousands of dollars in entry fees for all of their leagues, belongs to a ton of pay sites that they scour for advice all year as well as following a ton of fantasy analysts on twitter. And guys like me in the middle. And every year our results vary, and usually it's due to luck. No amount of studying helped the serious player in my league that took David Johnson with his first round pick and McKinnon in the 3rd. He finished in last. My brother did zero research, but he took Barkley, Roethlisberger, James White, Diggs and Ebron strictly because that's who his cheat sheet told him to take. He finished in first. A Fantasy Football season is not won on draft night. It's won in free agency and having the ability to manuever matchups, the waiver wire, etc. My team is 100% better now than when I drafted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Yeah, just last week, my wife told me I had to take the kids somewhere at 12:30 est on a SUNDAY. she should know by now I have to finish setting my teams, watch all the 4 pm pregame stuff and of course the wrap up and 7 pm pregame for when I want to swap out Sunday and monday night players. What's with family time effecting my FF time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, millworkguy said: Yeah, just last week, my wife told me I had to take the kids somewhere at 12:30 est on a SUNDAY. she should know by now I have to finish setting my teams, watch all the 4 pm pregame stuff and of course the wrap up and 7 pm pregame for when I want to swap out Sunday and monday night players. What's with family time effecting my FF time.. I do whatever I have to do on Saturday. My wife knows that Sundays are sacred in my house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplemonster Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 46 minutes ago, League_Champion said: A Fantasy Football season is not won on draft night. It's won in free agency and having the ability to manuever matchups, the waiver wire, etc. My team is 100% better now than when I drafted. I generally agree. My draft has been good this year, but many years it isn't and I still generally do ok, because I am active on the WW. You can cover a lot of deficiencies by being proactive and filling needs before they become critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, League_Champion said: I do whatever I have to do on Saturday. My wife knows that Sundays are sacred in my house. I was being sarcastic, I love both my daughters, and often things move through thurs ans monday nights as well as Sunday's that impact my ability to set a line-up or refine one (set on tuesday). For years I capped myself at 50 buck leagues so that I was never too invested that I would consider missing out on life for FF. This year I'll drop 5 leagues and concentrate on the others (and see how that goes) . We all have lives (FF players and NFL players) its impossible to prevent the outside stuff from having an impact. Esp when they have a cult like following of fans who want to meet them and 6( to 8) figure bank accounts with minimal obligations and lots of "friends" ever ready to help them have a good time and spend it. It's a recipe for disaster, and I'm shocked we haven't seen more of it yet. Too bad it's not just the stars that are held to this standard... (I wonder how many of our league mates or work buddies have a skeleton in the closet that would shock us if we knew the whole story) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin81mvp Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 On 12/2/2018 at 9:07 AM, League_Champion said: It sucks but that's just the way it is. This just shows the importance of building a deep roster throughout the year. How do you build a deep roster if you only have a limited bench.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, kevin81mvp said: How do you build a deep roster if you only have a limited bench.... Yup, every league is different. I've played in different types of leagues with different types of owners and your mileage may vary based on all of those variables. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slambo Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 switch to DFS gaming, new roster every week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I came to the conclusion years ago that FF is, in large part, simply a war of attrition. Particularly at the RB position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Not that unlike the real NFL. The Super Bowl teams have talent to be sure, but they are also two of the healthiest teams in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Gopher said: I came to the conclusion years ago that FF is, in large part, simply a war of attrition. Particularly at the RB position. Exactly. That's why it's so important to load up at RB in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
char92474 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 17 hours ago, League_Champion said: A Fantasy Football season is not won on draft night. It's won in free agency and having the ability to manuever matchups, the waiver wire, etc. My team is 100% better now than when I drafted. Agreed. But the ability to play matchups and use the waiver wire is a ton easier now. The information is everywhere and most owners are using the same sites for information. Don't get me wrong, I still love fantasy football and play it. But I cut back on my big money leagues because so much of it is luck based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
char92474 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 16 hours ago, millworkguy said: Yeah, just last week, my wife told me I had to take the kids somewhere at 12:30 est on a SUNDAY. she should know by now I have to finish setting my teams, watch all the 4 pm pregame stuff and of course the wrap up and 7 pm pregame for when I want to swap out Sunday and monday night players. What's with family time effecting my FF time.. I am my daughter's tee-ball coach and we played Sundays from 11-1. It wasn't bad during summer and the first couple weeks of football season, because everyone was healthy and there were no last minute adjustments needed. But the last couple weeks I rushed the game as much as possible so we could finish by 12:40 and I had 20 minutes to do any last-minute research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 18 hours ago, League_Champion said: A Fantasy Football season is not won on draft night. It's won in free agency and having the ability to manuever matchups, the waiver wire, etc. My team is 100% better now than when I drafted. According to char92474 waivers are won based on whoever has the best notification software on their phone, so it sounds like a FCFS no waiver period, no bidding free for all that most fantasy leagues got rid of at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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