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Good for Vic. I don't know if he will be a good HC or not, but thinking he is a great DC but not a superior HC type.

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25 minutes ago, gilthorp said:

Good for Vic. I don't know if he will be a good HC or not, but thinking he is a great DC but not a superior HC type.

 

Setback for the Bears D? Or do they have assistants behind him ready to step up and carry on the same scheme?


One thing I kept seeing in CLE with coaching changes was a switch from 4-3 to 3-4 and back. They draft talent to fit one, then change schemes and have to change personnel too. I fear that again, but with some steadiness at the top for both teams (HC part of current staff) hopefully they know its not wise to change. 

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Of course it is, but maybe Donatell can step right in.

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Or Todd Bowles. That would be interesting.

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1 hour ago, gilthorp said:

Good for Vic. I don't know if he will be a good HC or not, but thinking he is a great DC but not a superior HC type.

 

Darn. Hate to see him go.

 

:(  :kicksrock:

 

 

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Glad the steelers get to hold onto Munchak. He should be Tomlins replacement 

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10 minutes ago, Gourdeau said:

Glad the steelers get to hold onto Munchak. He should be Tomlins replacement 

 

With the speed that organization tends to move at with coaching, Munchak will be dead before replacing Tomlin is even considered (and its hard not to say it should of been considered this year).

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this is Fangio's first HC job, yes?

Don't the vast majority of rookie HCs fail? I don't understand why teams hire rookies (if they can land a good veteran HC). I don't understand why DEN is doing this, again.

Unless the simple fact is... no good veteran HCs would even entertain coming here due to the lack of QB, but MOSTLY the lack of upper management stability. The DEN HC might be the worst HC/manager job in off of sports right now.

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2 hours ago, Def. said:

 

With the speed that organization tends to move at with coaching, Munchak will be dead before replacing Tomlin is even considered (and its hard not to say it should of been considered this year).

 

100% should have been

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This hire seems weird to me - like they want a Vance Joseph do-over. The problem in Denver really isn't the defense, when compared to the moribund offense. How does this improve the chances of the Broncos competing?

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47 minutes ago, stethant said:

 The problem in Denver really isn't the defense

you're right, when it comes to potential. This defense way under-performed. All things considered, this DEF was horrible compared to what it should've been. Joe Woods needed help and VJ was too over-whelmed to help him succeed.

47 minutes ago, stethant said:

. How does this improve the chances of the Broncos competing?

Because Kubiak can focus on OFF and he is good at that. Fangio can focus on DEF. The question is, will Fangio be able to work with and take advice from Kubiak with regards to being a HC? Will Fangio be threatened by his asst. having way more experience and success? Will he feel the pressure knowing if he fails big time, the team has Plan B, literally, standing behind Fangio?

 

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On 1/9/2019 at 9:30 AM, gilthorp said:

Good for Vic. I don't know if he will be a good HC or not, but thinking he is a great DC but not a superior HC type.

 

Agreed.... and :(  ... sucks for Bears.

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4 hours ago, LordOpie said:

you're right, when it comes to potential. This defense way under-performed. All things considered, this DEF was horrible compared to what it should've been. Joe Woods needed help and VJ was too over-whelmed to help him succeed.

Because Kubiak can focus on OFF and he is good at that. Fangio can focus on DEF. The question is, will Fangio be able to work with and take advice from Kubiak with regards to being a HC? Will Fangio be threatened by his asst. having way more experience and success? Will he feel the pressure knowing if he fails big time, the team has Plan B, literally, standing behind Fangio?

 

 

Plan B? Is that giving failed former Broncos head coach Gary Kubiak another try? If so why not just hire him? Or not fire him after 2016?  Seems the person who should be fired is the one pulling all the strings hiring and firing other people.

 

I know the ownership situation is a mess now, and he's taking full advantage of that. 

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4 hours ago, stevegrab said:

Plan B? Is that giving failed former Broncos head coach Gary Kubiak another try?

How many superbowls has Gary Kubiak won as a head coach? How many superbowls has Cleveland won?

You have an interesting definition of failure.

4 hours ago, stevegrab said:

Or not fire him after 2016?

He wasn't fired. He retired due to health reasons. It'd be nice if you paid attention.

 

4 hours ago, stevegrab said:

Seems the person who should be fired is the one pulling all the strings hiring and firing other people.

I know the ownership situation is a mess now, and he's taking full advantage of that. 

Many people here are calling for Elway to be fired or resign. The team is a mess. But the simple fact is, who is better than Elway that would want this GM job? Not one person.

 

I feel like you're trying to troll me with your inaccurate attacks and I'm not sure why.

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9 hours ago, LordOpie said:

Many people here are calling for Elway to be fired or resign. The team is a mess. But the simple fact is, who is better than Elway that would want this GM job? Not one person.

 

I feel like you're trying to troll me with your inaccurate attacks and I'm not sure why.

 

"the simple fact is... no good veteran HCs would even entertain coming here due to the lack of QB, but MOSTLY the lack of upper management stability".

 

Seems like your trolling yourself. Elway has been terrible. There's no way around it. He had several shots at getting a future franchise QB. Mr Football chose Case Keenum. To answer your question almost anyone would be better than Elway right now. In one quote you say there's nobody better and in the next quote you say there's a lack of upper management stability. Which is it?

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4 hours ago, League_Champion said:

Seems like your trolling yourself.

well, i wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Steve, who he and I agreed to leave each other alone, but he can't. Disappointing. Kubiak has had a very successful career. So calling him a failure sure seems like trolling to me.

 

4 hours ago, League_Champion said:

Which is it?

it appears that logic escapes you. Why is it "Which is it?"? You imply these are mutually exclusive, meaning if one happens, the other cannot.

Please, go re-read YOUR post again and explain why it cannot be BOTH?

After you do that, tell me one GM who would be better than Elway -and- would take the job?

 

 

EDIT: I'm not sure that Elway can be fired.

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16 hours ago, LordOpie said:

How many superbowls has Gary Kubiak won as a head coach? How many superbowls has Cleveland won?

You have an interesting definition of failure.

He wasn't fired. He retired due to health reasons. It'd be nice if you paid attention.

 

Many people here are calling for Elway to be fired or resign. The team is a mess. But the simple fact is, who is better than Elway that would want this GM job? Not one person.

 

I feel like you're trying to troll me with your inaccurate attacks and I'm not sure why.

 

I am not trying to troll you, it was an honest question since you think Kubiak is some great plan B and you follow the Broncos. 

 

Kubiak retired due to health, OK I got that wrong. I am human and make mistakes. I also wasn't aware he rejoined the Broncos as a personnel adviser 7 months after retiring. 

 

 

My use of the word failure was because I thought he was fired, plus his sub .500 record with the Texans, and the fact the Broncos SB wins/games were primarily a result of Peyton Manning and a stellar defense, not some great head coaching job by Kubiak.

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Maybe I'm a blind Bronco homer, but everything I read keeps saying that in NFL circles Kubiak is still highly regarded.  Atlanta was after him to be their OC.  I still think he can help Denver's offense and Keenum improve.  Kubiak was heavily involved in last years draft and I'm hoping they let him do that again this year.  I'll agree that the SB was won on a fantastic defense as it certainly wasn't Manning's play.  I hope I'm right on him as I don't think this team is very far from a 10-6 season vs. their 6-10 season.

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3 hours ago, stevegrab said:

...Broncos SB wins/games were primarily a result of Peyton Manning and a stellar defense, not some great head coaching job by Kubiak.

and as a fan, I disagree with that. Kubiak managing that season with Peyton and Osweiller both at the helm was a very difficult tightrope to walk that most HCs wouldn't have been able to

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1 hour ago, League_Champion said:

Kubiak is a genius now? I guess I missed something.

you miss a lot

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Sounds like its a moot point now boys.  Schefter's Twitter. 

 

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Assistant shocker: Gary Kubiak will not be Denver’s offensive coordinator, league sources tell ESPN.

After lengthy discussions, Denver and Kubiak had different ideas on staffing and offensive philosophies. Both sides going in different directions.

 

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...and now...

local radio says that Kubiak will NOT be the OC.

This management team is a (the really bad word)ing mess. Who could/would make the decision that Kubiak isn't the OC?

  1. Kubiak (obviously)
  2. Elway (he already said Kubiak is going to be the OC)
  3. Fangio (He doesn't have the power to over-rule Elway)

Rumor on local radio is that Kubiak was more involved in this past draft (Elway's arguably best draft) than most realize. From my little knowledge, I'd rather have Kubiak as GM than Elway.

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