1fastdoc Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I know stats and fantasy football well, but I honestly don't know true football that well. What makes a stud and when does it occur? Kamara and Barkley stormed into the NFL but it seems to take others longer, a year or 2 for RB, 2-3 years for WR and TE. At least that's how it seems in FF. Using Allen Lazard as an example, he didn't do anything last year. This year he was quiet until they ran out of options last week and yesterday he saw 51/60 snaps but put up mediocre numbers. Is he destined for greatness or mediocrity? Most stud WR didn't have good years early on. Why? What are they developing? The other phenomenon I see is that WR that do relatively well early on also plateau. I see a lot of expert sites and TV pundits make predictions by taking into account history, other available players, offensive line, opposing defense, etc. But I've come to the conclusion that they're all full of manure. Antonio Brown's measurables are weak and it took him 4 years to become a reliable stud. And at that level it really didn't matter who he was up against, even if they were faster and taller. So if the metrics don't predict outcomes, what does? What makes him different? Has anyone here read anything meaningful on what really defines player evolution in reality, not just FF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I think for most guys it's opportunity, the system, team, etc. Barkley, Kamara & Zeke are freaks. They were going to be studs anywhere and are the exception to the rule. Other guys may flourish in a certain system while others may not. Would you rather be in the Rams, Chiefs or Miami's offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbotooslow Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I think being a stud means prolonged success to show us that you are a trustworthy option any given week (in terms of FF). Is Chark a stud? Not yet, but he will be if he does this through the beginning of next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 It also varies by position. Offensively, RBs are more likely to be studs right out of college compared to QBs that usually take a 1-2 years to develop to studs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 17 hours ago, Shaft said: It also varies by position. Offensively, RBs are more likely to be studs right out of college compared to QBs that usually take a 1-2 years to develop to studs. And WRs seem to usually take closer to 3 years. One owner in our league was so glued into that "3rd year WR breakout" theory that last year when I was trading him Eric Ebron during the season he would rather trade Davante Adams and keep Tyler Boyd (I asked for Boyd figuring a stud like Adams was untouchable, and he counter offered same basic trade with Adams. Phillip Lindsay is a good case in real football. Undrafted but look how good he's turned out. Many athletes with elite level physical skills in HS and college just sit back and use that edge, then they get to the pros where every player is as gifted and they don't work hard enough on their craft (and never really did). Guys with less physical ability work much harder. Edelman is a good example. Some of the more gifted physically that became elite worked really hard, Carter, Rice, Fitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fastdoc Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, stevegrab said: Many athletes with elite level physical skills in HS and college just sit back and use that edge, then they get to the pros where every player is as gifted and they don't work hard enough on their craft (and never really did). Guys with less physical ability work much harder. Edelman is a good example. Some of the more gifted physically that became elite worked really hard, Carter, Rice, Fitz. That makes a lot of sense. It would also fit with Antonio Brown, who teammates always said had a great work ethic. So now I have to figure out who has decent innate talent AND is mentally prepared to work hard to develop it. That could be a tall order. Time to looks at studs and colleges to see who grooms the best NFL players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 It took a couple of years before I was a stud. I think it was pre-school. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fastdoc Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 5 hours ago, League_Champion said: It took a couple of years before I was a stud. I think it was pre-school. I'm still working on it. At 45 I might be (the really bad word)ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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