Avernus Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Moss looks "extremely good" Updated 11/23/04 Moss, Randy WR MIN News: The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports Randy Moss looked "extremely good" during a set of drills Monday designed to test his injured hamstring. Analysis: The Vikings still plan to list Moss as doubtful, but it appears he has a better chance to be active in Week 12. I don't know the local paper website...but sportsline has this so far... feel free to add your update.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Moss expected to play vs. Jaguars Kevin Seifert, Star Tribune November 23, 2004 VIKE1123 Page: 1 2 A throng of Vikings coaches, medical personnel and other observers crowded into the team's indoor training facility Monday morning. Their collective gaze fell on the team's franchise player, the primary participant in a rigorous workout designed to test his limits. Thirty-six days after partially tearing his right hamstring, receiver Randy Moss looked "extremely good" during the series of drills, coach Mike Tice said. Barring a setback today, Moss will see action in about 25 plays -- mostly in three-receiver sets -- Sunday against Jacksonville. Productive but less explosive in Moss' absence, the Vikings offense will welcome his return. "He makes a huge difference," offensive coordinator Scott Linehan said Monday with a smile creasing his face. While the Vikings plan to string out the intrigue as long as possible, listing him as doubtful on their injury report, it appears that the only way he will miss the game is if the muscle swells unexpectedly today. The Vikings averaged 30 points a game when Moss played this season.Jim GehrzStar Tribune"He did a lot [Monday], and the key is to see how he is [today] because we pushed it pretty good," Tice said. "The strength in there is excellent. I think endurance is the key." Moss attempted to come back in a restricted role for the Oct. 31 game against the New York Giants, but his hamstring tightened in the second quarter and limited him to nine plays. That disappointing outing finally persuaded Moss to shut down the leg entirely, and he spent 19 days resting and rehabilitating before setting foot back on the field. That appearance came last Friday, when he caught a 50-yard touchdown pass while working with the Vikings' scout team. He sat out Sunday's 22-19 victory against Detroit, but on Monday morning he was back at Winter Park under the careful watch of athletic trainer Chuck Barta. He put Moss through two critical drills to determine how much the leg has healed. The first was similar to a triple-jump, where Moss was instructed to jump off each leg. To pass the test, the distance differential between his left-leg jump and right-leg jump could be no greater than 1 yard. Anything longer would have signified that he had not gained enough strength in his right leg to play in a game. "But since he's the Super Freak," Tice said, "he jumped further on his injured leg than he did on his healthy one. That told you something right there." The other test was a series of three 40-yard dashes, which the Vikings used to simulate repetitive motion. "We'll see how he comes out of that," Tice said. "If he's fine, he's playing. If he swells up, he's not playing, and that'll be that. We'll have him for Chicago [on Dec. 5 at Soldier Field]." Moss' absence has been noticeable on the field, in the won-loss column and in the statistical figures. The Vikings have lost three of their five games since the injury, while they scored an average of eight fewer points and gained a total of about 144 fewer offensive yards per game. With Moss playing in their first five games, the Vikings averaged 30 points and 476.6 yards per game. Since the injury, they have averaged 22.8 points and 332.8 yards per game. Still, those post-injury numbers are healthy, if lower, leading the Vikings to believe Moss' absence forced the offense to develop new ways of scoring and controlling the ball. "I think we've proved we can be in any game in any environment [without Moss]," Linehan said. "There are not too many places tougher to play than Indianapolis and Green Bay, and we took those two games to the wire -- without our best player, so to speak. I think that created some confidence, that even in losses, that we could do it." That confidence helped Sunday, when the Vikings entered their halftime locker room down 17-7 to the Lions. "There wasn't a player that had any doubt in his mind that we could go out and put a charge on," Linehan said, "because we had done it the past two weeks. ... Nobody's body language said, 'Here we go, another New York Giant game [the Vikings lost to the Giants 34-13].' Then we came out and won it. ... I think that's the biggest thing that's come out of the Randy thing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Too little, too late for the hapless Vikings.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 23, 2004 Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 He put Moss through two critical drills to determine how much the leg has healed. The first was similar to a triple-jump, where Moss was instructed to jump off each leg. To pass the test, the distance differential between his left-leg jump and right-leg jump could be no greater than 1 yard. Anything longer would have signified that he had not gained enough strength in his right leg to play in a game. "But since he's the Super Freak," Tice said, "he jumped further on his injured leg than he did on his healthy one. That told you something right there." amazing...simply amazing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Lets see...Moss in on 25 plays...takes 10 of those off...ball thrown to him 40% of the other times... 6/250/3 should about do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 I saw on NFL network a couple clips of Moss in practice....and he looked amazing.... I think he might be looking to explode this weekend against the suspect jacksonville secondary.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCKNE Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Perhaps my patience has paid off. I neerd him desperately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynCrew Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 This is from the Minny Star Tribune today: Moss 'superb' The Vikings put receiver Randy Moss through a rigorous 26-minute workout Tuesday, after which coach Mike Tice declared Moss was in "superb" condition. There were no indications of swelling in Moss' strained right hamstring, even after a workout that included 23 consecutive minutes of running pass routes with 25 seconds of rest in between each play. http://www.startribune.com/stories/510/5102369.html This came after a heavy workout on Monday, so apparently there was no swelling... I guess that's a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I traded Moss in my big money league but kept him in my work league. It's good to see him back, and now I'm depressed because he's gone in my big league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Based on all this upbeat news.... is there anyone here starting him now that Minn has learned to play/game plan without him? Or are all of you going to wait a week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynCrew Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I may have no choice but to start him and hope for the best. I'm about to play one of the highest scoring teams in our league, and I'll need every break to win. I'm gonna wait for more practice reports as the week progresses, but right now I'm leaning towards rolling the dice. My other options are not great anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Yeah, Moss is a jerk. That's my update. And Tice was an idiot to let him play after the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 imagine...he could have been at this point 2 weeks ago... thanks to coach meathead...he's potentially placed the viking season in jeapordy as well as alot of peoples fantasy money leagues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 he's riding my pine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I don't own Moss in any league, but I do know Tice is a lying idiot, so those of you that have Moss are in a crapshoot, IMO. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 So from an upbeat thread about Moss we now have downgraded to a Tice is an idiot thread. Works for me. Tice is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Darkside Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 its funny how every conversation about the health of moss or just about the vikings in general always seems to end with one common denominator"Mike Tice is an Idiot" just to add i 'm starting r.moss, his maybe 25 plays provide more chances than any 100 plays santana moss is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 its funny how every conversation about the health of moss or just about the vikings in general always seems to end with one common denominator"Mike Tice is an Idiot" just to add i 'm starting r.moss, his maybe 25 plays provide more chances than any 100 plays santana moss is in. 573274[/snapback] from what I saw last night, I don't see how he doesn't play the whole game...and do a backflip after each TD... I am urging people...far and wide.... START R MOSS IF YOU HAVE HIM!!... g'day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauders11 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I'm starting Moss over Eric Moulds this week and hoping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 I'm starting Moss over Eric Moulds this week and hoping 573338[/snapback] see people...it's not that hard.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 from what I saw last night, I don't see how he doesn't play the whole game...and do a backflip after each TD... I am urging people...far and wide.... START R MOSS IF YOU HAVE HIM!!... g'day... 573330[/snapback] I am going to remember this post Avernus.... keep it in mind when I come back after the game and have some things to say to you when he only plays 2 downs and then gets into civvies. :oldrazz: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedroz13 Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 see people...it's not that hard.. 573348[/snapback] Me 2 ....75% Moss is better than most WRs out there anyways. I don't think ( crossing fingers ) that they are just using him as a decoy. 25 - 30 plays is enough for me to start him . he's bound to score a TD . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 I am going to remember this post Avernus.... keep it in mind when I come back after the game and have some things to say to you when he only plays 2 downs and then gets into civvies. :oldrazz: 573368[/snapback] lol...I will personally bump it before the games...at halftime and after the games... and the thing is...the question isn't whether he'll perform...it's whether he'll play the whole game... and I'm saying yes....even Moss has games where he gets like 30 yds and a TD....but he doesn't take himself out of the game early due to injury... I know what I've seen...and it was enough for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostFace Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Tice has burned me twice this year with Moss' status. I just don't feel confident starting him when he's listed as doubtful. I have seen players start and have great games when listed as doubtful (DJax not too long ago), but after the first two weeks of the "no decoy" routine from Tice, I just can't start him. I hope you're right, and he has a huge game. That way, I can start him with confidence next week. Fortunately, I have another option for this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 24, 2004 Author Share Posted November 24, 2004 Tice has burned me twice this year with Moss' status. I just don't feel confident starting him when he's listed as doubtful. I have seen players start and have great games when listed as doubtful (DJax not too long ago), but after the first two weeks of the "no decoy" routine from Tice, I just can't start him. I hope you're right, and he has a huge game. That way, I can start him with confidence next week. Fortunately, I have another option for this week. 573437[/snapback] I'm telling you...from what I saw last night...he ran better than he did at any point in those games he played hurt... he ran like it was training camp.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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