Finger Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Had a barn burner last night. Going in up 15 with Bruce left. My opponent had Bulger and Wilkins. Held on for the win after watchiung Bruce go off! Then watched as he got Jacked Up in garbage time. Any word on his injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Had a barn burner last night. Going in up 15 with Bruce left. My opponent had Bulger and Wilkins. Held on for the win after watchiung Bruce go off! Then watched as he got Jacked Up in garbage time. Any word on his injuries? 583004[/snapback] Yes, here's a word - MARTZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I would also like news on Bruce, but in addition to news, I'd like the huddle's oppinion on Holt's value if Bruce is out for any length of time. Does Holt's value go up, or come down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelBunz Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I would also like news on Bruce, but in addition to news, I'd like the huddle's oppinion on Holt's value if Bruce is out for any length of time. Does Holt's value go up, or come down? 583024[/snapback] Normally......I'd say it goes down....BUT.....they have some nice second year players in the wings. McDonald...Curtis.....Furrey. The passing schemes might get a little tweaking, but I don't think the overall passing stats would change all that much. This is to take nothing away from Bruce, who is having a fabulous year. Holt will only be double-teamed until the opposition starts getting burned by the other guys. (See Randal El and Ward in Pitt next week without Plax). Same with Cincy....once they finally made the decision that Warrick was out for the season..a few games later Housh and Washington start to emerge and free up Chad for some big passes. And next week StL has SFO at home....let's face it. SFO's double team on Holt won't be effective anyway......LOL. It'll give them a week to work in the backups...Holt should be fine (FF-wise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Normally......I'd say it goes down....BUT.....they have some nice second year players in the wings. McDonald...Curtis.....Furrey. The passing schemes might get a little tweaking, but I don't think the overall passing stats would change all that much. This is to take nothing away from Bruce, who is having a fabulous year. Holt will only be double-teamed until the opposition starts getting burned by the other guys. (See Randal El and Ward in Pitt next week without Plax). Same with Cincy....once they finally made the decision that Warrick was out for the season..a few games later Housh and Washington start to emerge and free up Chad for some big passes. And next week StL has SFO at home....let's face it. SFO's double team on Holt won't be effective anyway......LOL. It'll give them a week to work in the backups...Holt should be fine (FF-wise). 583090[/snapback] I disagree. Last year with Bruce hurt all year Holt put up monster numbers even though teams knew Bruce wasn't 100%. I think this increases Holt's value even if teams try to double Holt. They run so much spread formation and receivers have so many different short, medium and long routes that it's going to be hard to effectively double Holt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 But none of this addresses Bruce and an injury. I can't find anything at all... anyone have any info...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I disagree. Last year with Bruce hurt all year Holt put up monster numbers even though teams knew Bruce wasn't 100%. I think this increases Holt's value even if teams try to double Holt. They run so much spread formation and receivers have so many different short, medium and long routes that it's going to be hard to effectively double Holt. 583351[/snapback] Then again, Holt's numbers have gone down tremendously this season (after his monster season last year), while Bruce's have gone up. My feeling is that Holt's numbers would still be hurt if Bruce was out. In addition, my fantasy team would also be hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Holt's value can't be any lower can it? Seems like his numbers would be better if Bruce is injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Then again, Holt's numbers have gone down tremendously this season (after his monster season last year), while Bruce's have gone up. My feeling is that Holt's numbers would still be hurt if Bruce was out. In addition, my fantasy team would also be hurt. 583360[/snapback] You missed the point. Holt's value has gone down because Bruce is healthy this year. With him hurt, Holt's value goes up. Sorry for not answering the injury question. Just couldn't help myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 You missed the point. Holt's value has gone down because Bruce is healthy this year. With him hurt, Holt's value goes up. 583509[/snapback] Last year was the only year since '98 that Bruce WASN'T healthy. And he was hurt late last year (IIRC, Week 15 or 16) and still played. Saying that Holt's value goes up if Bruce isn't in the lineup doesn't make sense. Obviously, Hines Ward didn't benefit from the double coverage that he saw last week when Burress was out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athletic supporter Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 So basically 9 responses without any info. Seems like there is more interest in Holt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 So basically 9 responses without any info. Seems like there is more interest in Holt. 583678[/snapback] Or maybe there is no news yet on Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athletic supporter Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Oh, there is news alright. Just The Man trying to keep me down, thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedroz13 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Oh, there is news alright. Just The Man trying to keep me down, thats all. 583721[/snapback] Amen brother ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Last year was the only year since '98 that Bruce WASN'T healthy. And he was hurt late last year (IIRC, Week 15 or 16) and still played. Saying that Holt's value goes up if Bruce isn't in the lineup doesn't make sense. Obviously, Hines Ward didn't benefit from the double coverage that he saw last week when Burress was out. 583593[/snapback] Were not talking about any other team. I could care less about Hines in this discussion. The only reason why Holt isn't having a great season is that he's not getting the looks he did last year. With Bruce out, he'll get more looks and therefore more balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCMB Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I have a feeling he's OUT - and Martz is just delaying the news trying to figure out a way to avoid the backlash for Bruce getting hurt with about a minute to go when the game was absolutely over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Were not talking about any other team. I could care less about Hines in this discussion. The only reason why Holt isn't having a great season is that he's not getting the looks he did last year. With Bruce out, he'll get more looks and therefore more balls. 583881[/snapback] He may get more looks, but that doesn't necessarily translate into more balls. After a 117-reception, 1696-yd, 12-TD season, defenders aren't going to double-cover him with Bruce on the sideline? Yeah, right! If Bruce is out (which remains to be seen), guys like Shaun McDonald and Kevin Curtis are going to get more looks. Hell, you may even see Faulk line up in the slot more often. Holt BENEFITS from Bruce's presence in the lineup, just as Reggie Wayne benefits from Marvin's presence. What do you think that Wayne's numbers would look like without Marvin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 He may get more looks, but that doesn't necessarily translate into more balls. After a 117-reception, 1696-yd, 12-TD season, defenders aren't going to double-cover him with Bruce on the sideline? Yeah, right! If Bruce is out (which remains to be seen), guys like Shaun McDonald and Kevin Curtis are going to get more looks. Hell, you may even see Faulk line up in the slot more often. Holt BENEFITS from Bruce's presence in the lineup, just as Reggie Wayne benefits from Marvin's presence. What do you think that Wayne's numbers would look like without Marvin? 583939[/snapback] Holt clearly does not benefit from a healthy Bruce in the lineup. He doesn't get the ball thrown his way as much as he did last year. Just curious, is Bruce in a contract year this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdadreed Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I just checked the Rams message boards on the St. Louis Post-Dispatch site & there was surprisingly nothing on Bruce's status. There was however, a ton of beatching about the Rams lack of defense and the head coach situation. I will post here if I hear anything on Bruce - hate to see the man keeping you down A.S.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 (edited) Holt clearly does not benefit from a healthy Bruce in the lineup. He doesn't get the ball thrown his way as much as he did last year. 584000[/snapback] Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Bruce didn't miss a single game last year, but was used as a decoy in Weeks 16 and 17 after suffering a minor injury. Obviously, Holt didn't haul in all 117 passes over those two weeks. In Week 16, Bruce as used as a decoy and Holt had a good game against a crappy Bengals secondary. In Week 17, Mariucci realized that Bruce was hurt (no receptions the previous week) and double-teamed Holt. The result: 5 catches for 54 yards. My guess is that Holt's numbers will suffer again without a healthy Bruce. Edited December 1, 2004 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finger Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 The true question will be how will Manning do without a healthy Bruce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehb1 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 any #1 wr benefits from a good #2 wr : marvin harrison(wayne), derek mason(bennett), keyshaw johnson(glenn), andre johnson(gaffney),moulds(price) even freaks like randy moss or terrell owens benefit from a complimentary wr at the #2 spot or even a good TE for that matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 any #1 wr benefits from a good #2 wr : marvin harrison(wayne), derek mason(bennett), keyshaw johnson(glenn), andre johnson(gaffney),moulds(price) even freaks like randy moss or terrell owens benefit from a complimentary wr at the #2 spot or even a good TE for that matter 584257[/snapback] Look what happened to Peerless Price when he moved to Atlanta. Look what happened to Chad Johnson after Warrick got hurt. How many more balls did Hines see last week when Burress was out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelBunz Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I disagree. Last year with Bruce hurt all year Holt put up monster numbers even though teams knew Bruce wasn't 100%. I think this increases Holt's value even if teams try to double Holt. They run so much spread formation and receivers have so many different short, medium and long routes that it's going to be hard to effectively double Holt. 583351[/snapback] NAU? Did you miss my "BUT"....in the first sentence? I said "normally this sort of thing would be bad"....in the case of a good 1-2 WR punch. Then went on to say why I thought it wouldn't hurt Holt at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Boy Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 NAU? Did you miss my "BUT"....in the first sentence? I said "normally this sort of thing would be bad"....in the case of a good 1-2 WR punch. Then went on to say why I thought it wouldn't hurt Holt at all. 584475[/snapback] I agree with you 100% Bunz! Normally it would hurt, but, in the case of the Rams....Holts #s would definitely go up with Bruce out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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