Big Country Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 I have seen several people state they are in dynasty leagues that have two drafts each year, one for rookies, one for free agents. my question is what is the point of this? I guess it is one of those things i just don't get the point of and was hoping to get some input as to the reasons for using a split draft, the strategical impact of such a system and the benefit to the competitive balance of a league that separate drafts can bring to the table vs. having a single draft for any player not on a roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Dude, you need to get laid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Rook draft yearly in all my dynasty leagues....FA go thru the FA Process but we do have an RFA for players who have their contracts expire... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted April 7, 2005 Author Share Posted April 7, 2005 Dude, you need to get laid. 769460[/snapback] Very much so........ maybe tonight if I am lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Very much so........ maybe tonight if I am lucky. 769628[/snapback] LOL. FWIW, imo, if you are going to draft free agents, it has to be separate from the rookie draft. The rookie draft is its own entity, where careful planning and strategizing plays a major role in the future of your team. Picking up some scrub free agents who aren't good enough to be on anyones roster is completely different imo. Rookies have much more potential than free agents. Did that make sense? And good luck tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted April 7, 2005 Author Share Posted April 7, 2005 LOL. FWIW, imo, if you are going to draft free agents, it has to be separate from the rookie draft. The rookie draft is its own entity, where careful planning and strategizing plays a major role in the future of your team. Picking up some scrub free agents who aren't good enough to be on anyones roster is completely different imo. Rookies have much more potential than free agents. Did that make sense? And good luck tonight. 769643[/snapback] So then what is the harm of having all players eligible for placement on a team be eligible to be drafted in the same draft. In USDA, we have 14 teams, 21-man rosters, so the veterans available are very limited, but there is usually at least a couple that are taken in the first couple rounds of our draft. Granted, it may be a kicker or a 2nd/3rd year QB that is a backup currently, but the owner obviously felt that they had a more pressing needfor that player over a rookie. I guess I just don't see a benefit to separating the player pool like that. Only thing that comesto mind is making it "like the NFL", whih if taken too far can ruin a good league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 So then what is the harm of having all players eligible for placement on a team be eligible to be drafted in the same draft. In USDA, we have 14 teams, 21-man rosters, so the veterans available are very limited, but there is usually at least a couple that are taken in the first couple rounds of our draft. Granted, it may be a kicker or a 2nd/3rd year QB that is a backup currently, but the owner obviously felt that they had a more pressing needfor that player over a rookie. I guess I just don't see a benefit to separating the player pool like that. Only thing that comesto mind is making it "like the NFL", whih if taken too far can ruin a good league. 769656[/snapback] In a dynasty league, someone would take a kicker over a 2nd or 3rd round rookie draft pick? That seems absurd. This is a dynasty league we're talking about, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 The more I think about this, the more things come to mind. Part of the allure of dynasty leagues is the ability to have a rookie draft each year where owners can show their "prowess" in drafting rookie talent. That should be kept separate from any FA transactions. Also, I would be hard pressed to find any FA worth more than any rookie in any of my dynasty leagues, so that's probably why it really isn't even an option for most leagues. That being said, I see no problem with making it an option, I just don't see a real need for it. Did that make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Do FA's with FA money, do the rookie draft seperate. Hugh One makes a good point as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gspot Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I have seen several people state they are in dynasty leagues that have two drafts each year, one for rookies, one for free agents. my question is what is the point of this? I guess it is one of those things i just don't get the point of and was hoping to get some input as to the reasons for using a split draft, the strategical impact of such a system and the benefit to the competitive balance of a league that separate drafts can bring to the table vs. having a single draft for any player not on a roster. 769323[/snapback] I agree, a Dynasty league should mimic the NFL. Annual Rookie draft, with RFA openning up January through March for all players with one year remaining, and then UFA from April through end of season for all players who were reduced to 0 years after January. Haven't looked at our rules, so my calendar may be off, but the web site mimics the NFL's schedule for the most part. A FA draft seems to elminate the possibility of a compensation picks in RFA and Franchise Tags and bidding. Can't understand the drafting of FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Gigantes Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 i am in one dynasty league where you have a 35 man roster, no contracts, then you have to cut down to 25. We then have a ten round rookie/FA draft. Here was the draft last year: (the defense of the team I took over sucked and I had no backup qb, so i mostly byypassed rookies) 1.01 1 Franchise 2 Jones, Kevin DET RB Sun Aug 1 12:00:21 p.m. ET 2004 1.02 2 Leatherbacks Jackson, Steven STL RB Sun Aug 1 12:08:23 p.m. ET 2004 It sucks, but I have to protect my investment in Faulk. 1.03 3 Death Grip Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR Sun Aug 1 12:08:23 p.m. ET 2004 1.04 4 Bedside Baptist Jones, Julius DAL RB Sun Aug 1 12:35:43 p.m. ET 2004 1.05 5 Death Grip Williams, Roy DET WR Sun Aug 1 12:35:43 p.m. ET 2004 1.06 6 Franchise 2 Williams, Reggie JAC WR Sun Aug 1 12:55:28 p.m. ET 2004 1.07 7 Huskers Winslow, Kellen CLE TE Sun Aug 1 10:37:00 p.m. ET 2004 1.08 8 Screaming Vikings Bell, Tatum DEN RB Sun Aug 1 10:37:00 p.m. ET 2004 1.09 9 The Freeze Manning, Eli NYG QB Mon Aug 2 1:07:17 a.m. ET 2004 1.10 10 Kings of Terror Perry, Chris CIN RB Mon Aug 2 1:07:17 a.m. ET 2004 1.11 11 Leatherbacks Woods, Rashaun SFO WR Mon Aug 2 2:03:13 a.m. ET 2004 1.12 12 Thundering Herd Evans, Lee BUF WR Mon Aug 2 9:23:23 a.m. ET 2004 2.01 13 Mobb Deep Jenkins, Michael ATL WR Mon Aug 2 9:23:23 a.m. ET 2004 2.02 14 Leatherbacks Clayton, Michael TBB WR Mon Aug 2 10:55:13 a.m. ET 2004 2.03 15 Death Grip Taylor, Sean WAS S Mon Aug 2 11:04:13 a.m. ET 2004 2.04 16 Bedside Baptist Rivers, Philip SDC QB Mon Aug 2 11:04:13 a.m. ET 2004 2.05 17 Los Gigantes Grant, Charles NOS DE Mon Aug 2 11:10:28 a.m. ET 2004 2.06 18 Man in the Jar Williams, D.J. DEN LB Mon Aug 2 12:44:55 p.m. ET 2004 2.07 19 Huskers Vilma, Jonathan NYJ LB Mon Aug 2 12:44:55 p.m. ET 2004 2.08 20 Screaming Vikings Jones, Greg JAC RB Mon Aug 2 12:44:55 p.m. ET 2004 2.09 21 Leatherbacks Troupe, Ben TEN TE Mon Aug 2 1:08:15 p.m. ET 2004 2.10 22 Mobb Deep Udeze, Kenechi MIN DE Mon Aug 2 1:27:18 p.m. ET 2004 2.11 23 Man in the Jar Colbert, Keary CAR WR Mon Aug 2 1:50:09 p.m. ET 2004 2.12 24 Thundering Herd Henderson, Devery NOS WR Mon Aug 2 1:50:09 p.m. ET 2004 3.01 25 Mobb Deep Williams, Boo NOS TE Mon Aug 2 1:50:09 p.m. ET 2004 3.02 26 Leatherbacks Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR Mon Aug 2 2:55:15 p.m. ET 2004 3.03 27 Kings of Terror Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB Mon Aug 2 3:13:07 p.m. ET 2004 3.04 28 Bedside Baptist Smith, Daryl JAC LB Mon Aug 2 3:49:21 p.m. ET 2004 3.05 29 Kings of Terror Smith, Will NOS DE Mon Aug 2 4:28:43 p.m. ET 2004 3.06 30 Franchise 2 Cobbs, Cedric NEP RB Mon Aug 2 4:28:43 p.m. ET 2004 3.07 31 Huskers Lehman, Teddy DET LB Mon Aug 2 6:35:46 p.m. ET 2004 3.08 32 Screaming Vikings Dyson, Kevin FA WR Mon Aug 2 6:35:46 p.m. ET 2004 3.09 33 The Freeze Dansby, Karlos ARI LB Mon Aug 2 10:38:31 p.m. ET 2004 3.10 34 Kings of Terror Minor, Travis MIA RB Mon Aug 2 10:38:31 p.m. ET 2004 3.11 35 Los Gigantes McCown, Josh ARI QB Mon Aug 2 10:38:31 p.m. ET 2004 3.12 36 Thundering Herd Smith, Musa BAL RB Mon Aug 2 10:38:31 p.m. ET 2004 4.01 37 Mobb Deep Harris, Napoleon MIN LB Mon Aug 2 10:38:31 p.m. ET 2004 4.02 38 Leatherbacks Williams, Kevin MIN DT Mon Aug 2 10:38:31 p.m. ET 2004 4.03 39 Franchise 2 Darling, Devard BAL WR Mon Aug 2 10:38:31 p.m. ET 2004 4.04 40 Bedside Baptist Mitchell, Freddie PHI WR Mon Aug 2 10:56:12 p.m. ET 2004 4.05 41 Kings of Terror Babin, Jason HOU LB Tue Aug 3 1:26:32 a.m. ET 2004 4.06 42 Los Gigantes Ayodele, Akinola JAC LB Tue Aug 3 1:26:32 a.m. ET 2004 4.07 43 Huskers Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue Aug 3 1:26:32 a.m. ET 2004 4.08 44 Screaming Vikings Boulware, Michael SEA S Tue Aug 3 1:26:32 a.m. ET 2004 4.09 45 The Freeze Henderson, E.J. MIN LB Tue Aug 3 2:37:11 a.m. ET 2004 4.10 46 Los Gigantes June, Cato IND LB Tue Aug 3 2:37:11 a.m. ET 2004 4.11 47 Man in the Jar Delhomme, Jake CAR QB Tue Aug 3 9:14:17 a.m. ET 2004 4.12 48 Thundering Herd Losman, J.P. BUF QB Tue Aug 3 9:35:05 a.m. ET 2004 5.01 49 Death Grip Hilliard, Ike FA WR Tue Aug 3 9:35:05 a.m. ET 2004 5.02 50 Leatherbacks Thomas, Dontarrious MIN LB Tue Aug 3 11:10:01 a.m. ET 2004 5.03 51 Franchise 2 Sanders, Bob IND S Tue Aug 3 11:10:01 a.m. ET 2004 5.04 52 Bedside Baptist Bell, Kendrell KCC LB Tue Aug 3 11:10:01 a.m. ET 2004 5.05 53 Kings of Terror Nguyen, Dat DAL LB Tue Aug 3 7:37:05 p.m. ET 2004 5.06 54 Los Gigantes Brown, Alex CHI DE Tue Aug 3 7:37:05 p.m. ET 2004 5.07 55 Huskers Trufant, Marcus SEA CB Tue Aug 3 7:37:05 p.m. ET 2004 5.08 56 Screaming Vikings Kleinsasser, Jim MIN TE Tue Aug 3 7:37:05 p.m. ET 2004 5.09 57 The Freeze Hall, Deangelo ATL CB Wed Aug 4 12:51:25 a.m. ET 2004 5.10 58 Los Gigantes Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Wed Aug 4 12:51:25 a.m. ET 2004 5.11 59 Man in the Jar Watson, Courtney NOS LB Wed Aug 4 12:51:25 a.m. ET 2004 5.12 60 Thundering Herd Watts, Darius DEN WR Wed Aug 4 12:51:25 a.m. ET 2004 6.01 61 Mobb Deep Chiefs, Kansas City KCC ST Wed Aug 4 1:05:12 a.m. ET 2004 6.02 62 Leatherbacks Dayne, Ron DEN RB Wed Aug 4 9:05:48 a.m. ET 2004 6.03 63 Franchise 2 Gates, Antonio SDC TE Wed Aug 4 9:05:48 a.m. ET 2004 6.04 64 Bedside Baptist Bennett, Drew TEN WR Wed Aug 4 9:05:48 a.m. ET 2004 6.05 65 Kings of Terror Gage, Justin CHI WR Wed Aug 4 10:46:05 a.m. ET 2004 6.06 66 Death Grip Holmes, Kenny FA DE Wed Aug 4 10:46:05 a.m. ET 2004 6.07 67 Huskers Taylor, Travis MIN WR Wed Aug 4 5:12:11 p.m. ET 2004 6.08 68 Screaming Vikings Burleson, Nate MIN WR Wed Aug 4 5:12:11 p.m. ET 2004 6.09 69 The Freeze Smith, L.J. PHI TE Wed Aug 4 5:12:11 p.m. ET 2004 6.10 70 Death Grip Collins, Kerry OAK QB Wed Aug 4 5:12:11 p.m. ET 2004 6.11 71 Man in the Jar Law, Ty FA CB Wed Aug 4 5:12:11 p.m. ET 2004 6.12 72 Thundering Herd Smith, Emmitt DAL RB Wed Aug 4 5:12:11 p.m. ET 2004 7.01 73 Mobb Deep Hall, James DET DE Wed Aug 4 5:12:11 p.m. ET 2004 7.02 74 Leatherbacks Simms, Chris TBB QB Wed Aug 4 5:56:03 p.m. ET 2004 7.03 75 Franchise 2 Kasay, John CAR PK Wed Aug 4 5:56:03 p.m. ET 2004 7.04 76 Bedside Baptist Hall, Dante KCC WR Wed Aug 4 5:56:03 p.m. ET 2004 7.05 77 Kings of Terror Testaverde, Vinny DAL QB Wed Aug 4 7:20:19 p.m. ET 2004 7.06 78 Los Gigantes Kerney, Patrick ATL DE Wed Aug 4 7:20:19 p.m. ET 2004 7.07 79 Huskers Parker, Eric SDC WR Wed Aug 4 10:17:55 p.m. ET 2004 7.08 80 Screaming Vikings Gaffney, Jabar HOU WR Wed Aug 4 10:17:55 p.m. ET 2004 7.09 81 The Freeze Tinoisamoa, Pisa STL LB Wed Aug 4 10:17:55 p.m. ET 2004 7.10 82 Death Grip Anderson, Mike DEN RB Wed Aug 4 10:17:55 p.m. ET 2004 7.11 83 Man in the Jar Bailey, Champ DEN CB Wed Aug 4 11:08:05 p.m. ET 2004 7.12 84 Thundering Herd Jones, Freddie ARI TE Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.01 85 Mobb Deep Douglas, Marques BAL DE Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.02 86 Leatherbacks Scott, Bryan ATL S Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.03 87 Franchise 2 Jones, Sean CLE S Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.04 88 Bedside Baptist Bears, Chicago CHI ST Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.05 89 Kings of Terror Pinner, Artose DET RB Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.06 90 Los Gigantes Tillman, Charles CHI CB Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.07 91 Huskers Harris, Tommie CHI DT Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.08 92 Screaming Vikings Fiedler, Jay NYJ QB Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.09 93 The Freeze White, Dez ATL WR Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.10 94 Death Grip McKinnon, Ronald ARI LB Thu Aug 5 1:56:17 p.m. ET 2004 8.11 95 Man in the Jar Schweigert, Stuart OAK S Thu Aug 5 3:06:39 p.m. ET 2004 8.12 96 Thundering Herd Hamilton, Derrick SFO WR Thu Aug 5 3:06:39 p.m. ET 2004 9.01 97 Mobb Deep Stevens, Jerramy SEA TE Thu Aug 5 3:06:39 p.m. ET 2004 9.02 98 Leatherbacks Wiley, Marcellus JAC DE Thu Aug 5 3:06:39 p.m. ET 2004 9.03 99 Franchise 2 49ers, San Francisco SFO ST Thu Aug 5 3:06:39 p.m. ET 2004 9.04 100 Bedside Baptist Odom, Antwan TEN DE Thu Aug 5 3:06:39 p.m. ET 2004 9.05 101 Kings of Terror McCants, Darnerian WAS WR Thu Aug 5 3:34:06 p.m. ET 2004 9.06 102 Los Gigantes Feeley, A.J. MIA QB Thu Aug 5 3:34:06 p.m. ET 2004 9.07 103 Huskers Brown, Josh SEA PK Thu Aug 5 10:06:04 p.m. ET 2004 9.08 104 Screaming Vikings Wilfork, Vince NEP DT Thu Aug 5 10:06:04 p.m. ET 2004 9.09 105 The Freeze Vinatieri, Adam NEP PK Fri Aug 6 4:27:49 a.m. ET 2004 9.10 106 Death Grip Gordon, Lamar MIA RB Fri Aug 6 4:27:49 a.m. ET 2004 9.11 107 Man in the Jar Colts, Indianapolis IND ST Fri Aug 6 4:27:49 a.m. ET 2004 9.12 108 Thundering Herd Betts, Ladell WAS RB Fri Aug 6 4:27:49 a.m. ET 2004 10.01 109 Mobb Deep Greisen, Nick NYG LB Fri Aug 6 4:27:49 a.m. ET 2004 10.02 110 Franchise 2 Brayton, Tyler OAK DE Fri Aug 6 9:55:52 a.m. ET 2004 10.03 111 Franchise 2 Mitchell, Mel NOS S Fri Aug 6 9:58:47 a.m. ET 2004 10.04 112 Bedside Baptist Mili, Itula SEA TE Fri Aug 6 9:58:47 a.m. ET 2004 10.05 113 Kings of Terror Hanson, Jason DET PK Fri Aug 6 3:24:11 p.m. ET 2004 10.06 114 Los Gigantes Kiel, Terrance SDC S Fri Aug 6 3:24:11 p.m. ET 2004 10.07 115 Huskers Panthers, Carolina CAR ST Fri Aug 6 3:24:11 p.m. ET 2004 10.08 116 Screaming Vikings Stecker, Aaron NOS RB Fri Aug 6 3:24:11 p.m. ET 2004 10.09 117 The Freeze Griffith, Robert ARI S Fri Aug 6 3:25:41 p.m. ET 2004 10.10 118 Death Grip Cotchery, Jerricho NYJ WR Fri Aug 6 3:25:41 p.m. ET 2004 10.11 119 Man in the Jar Stokley, Brandon IND WR Fri Aug 6 3:47:16 p.m. ET 2004 10.12 120 Thundering Herd Falcons, Atlanta ATL ST Fri Aug 6 3:47:16 p.m. ET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 I agree, a Dynasty league should mimic the NFL. Annual Rookie draft, with RFA openning up January through March for all players with one year remaining, and then UFA from April through end of season for all players who were reduced to 0 years after January. Haven't looked at our rules, so my calendar may be off, but the web site mimics the NFL's schedule for the most part. A FA draft seems to elminate the possibility of a compensation picks in RFA and Franchise Tags and bidding. Can't understand the drafting of FA. 771045[/snapback] If you aren't using contracts, then there is no 'RFA' period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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