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Falcons: Jenkins pushing Price

 

by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com

Friday, June 17, 2005

 

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Second-year wide receiver Michael Jenkins is making a bid to earn a spot in the starting lineup. Although Jenkins was expected to push No. 2 wideout Dez White for playing time, he is instead challenging Peerless Price for the No. 1 role, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Jenkins finished last season with just seven receptions for 119 yards.

 

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We still expect Price and Jenkins to be in the starting lineup when the regular season begins. The coaches are doing everything in their power to motivate Price. As if making it known that they were toying with the idea of releasing Peerless wasn't enough, now they are threatening to give his starting job to a second-year player. Price has his issues and has a big contract, but he's certainly better than White.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I honestly think it's a combination of the following three things;

 

#1) New offensive system last year.

 

#2) Price not being able to handle the Defensive attention that a #1 WR receives.

 

#3) Vick being an erratic passer.

 

Not necessarily in that order.

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here is motivation for him " :D IF YA SUCK< YOU'RE CUT FROM MY FANTASY TEAM!"

 

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You had Price on your team :D

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Funny how McNabb blew away Vick's career-best numbers waaaay back in his second year in the league... and did it with junk WRs like James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Charles Johnson, Torrence Small, and Na Brown.

 

And Vick's excuse is "Peerless Price"? :D

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I wonder what type of O Line McNabb had then?

 

5 more passing TDs and 400 more passing yards is blowing away? :D

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I wonder what type of O Line McNabb had then?

 

5 more passing TDs and 400 more passing yards is blowing away? :D

 

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Add Vick's rushing #s and I bet he beat McNabb's stats.

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I wonder what type of O Line McNabb had then?

 

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Not as good a line as ATL, who had one of the NFL's most potent rushing attacks last season.

 

5 more passing TDs and 400 more passing yards is blowing away? :D

 

That's all you can come up with? :D

 

Come on, let's hear your excuse why McNabb had comparably crappy wideouts (up to '04), yet has consistently out-performed Ron Mexico.

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Not as good a line as ATL, who had one of the NFL's most potent rushing attacks last season.

 

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:D Since when does run blocking equal pass blocking?

 

Come on, let's hear your excuse why McNabb had comparably crappy wideouts (up to '04), yet has consistently out-performed Ron Mexico.

 

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::D You mean he's consistently outperformed Vick in Vick's two real seasons, right?(each season with a different coach) Don't act like it's been a span of 10 seasons where McNabb has done better than Vick in the NFC consistently.

 

Oh yeah, tell me, how many more years has McNabb been in the WCO than Vick? :D

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:D Since when does run blocking equal pass blocking?

 

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Effective run-blocking leads to effective rushing, which opens up the passing game. Trent Green (who also has mediocre WRs) has torn it up through the air over the past three seasons because of his team's running game. Similarly, Atlanta averaged 5.1 yds/carry last season (2672 rushing yds, 6th in the NFL). And, unlike Green, opposing defenses need to take a LB out of coverage when playing against Vick. Even with all of the extra attention on Dunn, Duckett, and Vick, Atlanta's passing game was almost as bad as Chicago's. Again, what's Vick's excuse?

 

::D  You mean he's consistently outperformed Vick in Vick's two real seasons, right?(each season with a different coach) Don't act like it's been a span of 10 seasons where McNabb has done better than Vick in the NFC consistently.

 

You're correct. McNabb has only been showing the world that Vick couldn't hold his jockstrap for the past 3 1/2 seasons. :D

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It's amazing to me that Mike Vick maintains such speed and agility with all these people hanging on his nuts and humping his legs.....

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Effective run-blocking leads to effective rushing, which opens up the passing game.  Trent Green (who also has mediocre WRs) has torn it up through the air over the past three seasons because of his team's running game.  Similarly, Atlanta averaged 5.1 yds/carry last season (2672 rushing yds, 6th in the NFL). 

 

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KC HAS to throw it since they have no defense. :D:D

 

Again, what's Vick's excuse?

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Yeah what is Vick's excuse? Beating the Packers at Lambeau Field in the snow in the playoffs and then when he comes back from injury, making it to the NFC Championship. And I think that I've said that he's made it as far as Peyton has in the playoffs in less than half the amount of time. What's Peyton's excuse for not making it further than Vick with his Dan Marino record?

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KC HAS to throw it since they have no defense.  :D  :D

 

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The Falcons have to throw it as well, yet simply aren't able to do it. Outside of Tony Gonzalez being a little better than Alge Crumpler, there isn't much of a difference in receiving talent on those two squads.

 

Yeah what is Vick's excuse? Beating the Packers at Lambeau Field in the snow in the playoffs and then when he comes back from injury, making it to the NFC Championship. And I think that I've said that he's made it as far as Peyton has in the playoffs in less than half the amount of time. What's Peyton's excuse for not making it further than Vick with his Dan Marino record?

 

Yeah, Vick was a real stud in Lambeau, throwing 13/25 for 117 yds and 1 TD against a defense that didn't even rank in the top third of the league. And nevermind the fact that Vick's defense picked off Favre twice and his special teams ran back a blocked punt for a TD. It was all Vick, baby! :D

 

I love how you bring Manning into this becuase you have no reasonable excuse for Vick's inability to throw the ball downfield. How about this: Manning has passed or rushed for 16 TDs in 8 playoff games with negligible defensive support. Vick has a grand total of 3 TDs (zero rushing) in 4 playoff games with much better defensive support. Comparing Peyton to Vick is like comparing Marino to Kordell (who has won playoff games as well).

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NFL.com what do you have to say about that playoff game?

 

 

 

 

Vick, Falcons shock Packers in Lambeau

 

 

NFL.com wire reports

 

 

 

GREEN BAY, Wis. (Jan. 4, 2003) -- It looked so perfect for Green Bay. Snow falling. Packers in green and gold. Lambeau Field in January.

 

Only it wasn't Brett Favre making all the plays.

 

It was Michael Vick who looked right at home.

 

Undaunted by the storied stadium where his own coach lost in the "Ice Bowl" 35 years ago, Vick made history of his own.

 

The 22-year-old improvisational genius led the Atlanta Falcons to a shocking 27-7 upset of the Packers in a wild-card playoff before a record crowd of 65,358 stunned souls.

 

"We were underdogs. We wanted to show 'em we had the potential to come out and make history," Vick said after his first NFL playoff game.

 

The Packers (12-5) were the only team to go unbeaten at home during the regular season. And they had never lost a home playoff game since the NFL instituted a postseason in 1933 in going 13-0 -- 11 of the victories coming at Lambeau and two more in Milwaukee.

 

"That's what we were talking about all week, the winning streak in the playoffs. It had to come to an end," Vick said.

 

The closest the Packers had come to losing in the land of Lombardi was on New Year's Eve 1967, when Bart Starr knifed into the end zone with 13 seconds left to give Green Bay a 21-17 victory against Dallas in the coldest game in NFL history.

 

Falcons coach Dan Reeves threw a 50-yard touchdown pass on a halfback option that gave the Cowboys a 17-14 fourth-quarter lead in that game.

 

"Thirty-five years ago and they're still showing that. And all I did was complete one little old pass," Reeves said. "To be the first team to win a game up here, they'll be showing this for a long time."

 

Favre had built a reputation as the game's greatest cold-weather quarterback, winning all 35 of his starts at home in which the temperature was 34 or below.

 

And what did Favre think of his second successive thumping in the playoffs?

 

Who knows?

 

For the first time in his career, he bolted without a word.

 

It was an unseasonably warm 31 degrees at kickoff. By the time snow began falling at halftime, the Falcons had an astonishing 24-0 lead.

 

Favre was without Pro Bowl running back Ahman Green (knee) and leading receivers Donald Driver (shoulder) and Terry Glenn (concussion) in a futile second-half comeback attempt.

 

Vick's numbers weren't great -- 117 yards passing, 64 rushing -- but he was his usual phenomenal self. Over and over, he turned broken plays into big ones.

 

"He's amazing," Reeves said. "It seems the tougher the situation the better he is."

 

The Falcons (10-6-1), who had backed into the playoffs after losing three of four in December, will travel to Philadelphia for a divisional playoff next weekend.

 

The Packers, who only one week ago still had a shot at the home-field advantage throughout the NFC playoffs, began their offseason much sooner than anyone expected.

 

"To say this is disappointing is as big an understatement as I could ever make," an incensed Packers coach Mike Sherman said.

 

"Michael Vick's a great player, he made some great plays, we couldn't tackle him," Sherman said. "But their whole team played well. It wasn't just Michael Vick."

 

 

Michael Vick didn't get sacked and made no crucial mistakes in the biggest game of his young career.

 

Still deflated from their 42-17 defeat to the New York Jets last week that cost them a first-round bye, the Packers received a series of rapid-fire jolts in the first night playoff game in their history.

 

First, Pro Bowl safety Darren Sharper (knee) was unable to play, leaving the Packers without their fastest defender to help contain Vick.

 

Their next best bet was a snowstorm, but it arrived too late.

 

"We were expecting bad weather, and it didn't happen," Vick said.

 

Atlanta, which hadn't reached the end zone on its opening drive all season, went 76 yards in 10 plays, the payoff coming on Shawn Jefferson's 10-yard touchdown catch.

 

Falcons linebacker Mark Simoneau beat Matt Bowen and blocked Josh Bidwell's punt out of Green Bay's end zone and Artie Ulmer smothered the loose ball for another Atlanta touchdown and a 14-0 lead.

 

Then, Kevin McCadem pushed Tyrone Williams into Green Bay punt returner Eric Metcalf, and Falcons fullback George Layne recovered the muffed punt at the Packers 21.

 

Sherman didn't challenge the call -- and a review would have given Green Bay possession because the punted ball clearly bounced off McCadem's left shoulder.

 

Sherman said he spoke with an official on the field, "but he (mistakenly) led me to believe it would not be reviewable."

 

Four plays later, the Falcons made it 21-0 when T.J. Duckett carried the pile 6 yards into the end zone as a shocked Sherman crouched on the sideline.

 

The fervent Falcons then stopped the Packers with a goal-line stand with nose tackle Ellis Johnson dumping Green for a 4-yard loss on fourth down. Over Favre's career, the Packers had scored 48 touchdowns and one field goal in their previous 49 first-and-goal situations.

 

As the much-awaited snow began falling, the exhilarated Falcons didn't flinch. Vick led them 90 yards in 16 plays for Jay Feely's 22-yard field goal on the final play of the first half for a 24-0 lead.

 

Favre, who had two interceptions and a fumble, hit Driver with a 14-yard touchdown on the first drive after halftime, but Driver re-injured his dislocated shoulder on the play and the Packers were done.

 

"We did a lot of things right this year in the regular season," Sherman said. "We didn't do them right in the postseason."

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There were plenty of reasons that the Falcons win at Lambeau wasn't all that impressive - at least, not much more impressive than any other road playoff win - but the bottom line for this thread is that the fact Vick is one HELL of a playmaker doesn't change the fact that he has shown himself to be a limited passer thus far in his career.

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NFL.com what do you have to say about that playoff game?

Vick, Falcons shock Packers in Lambeau

 

 

 

Vick's numbers weren't great -- 117 yards passing, 64 rushing -- but he was his usual phenomenal self. Over and over, he turned broken plays into big ones.

 

 

Let me get this straight:

 

1 - 184 yards is Vick being his usual phenomenal self? Since when was 184

TOTAL yards from your QB is considered phenomenal?

 

2 - How can he have "over & over" turned broken plays into big ones if he only

had 184 TOTAL yards?

 

I think Vick is a incredible athlete and could possibly be a good/great QB one day. The fact of the matter is that he is not a very good QB right now.

 

Also, didn't McNabb beat Vick twice in the playoffs already?

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Waterman- You're such a blatant Vick lover that your points/arguments are almost immediately dismissed when it comes to any topic about Vick or the Falcons.

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Just an FYI on the McNabb / Vick thingy.

 

McNabb's passing completion percentages as follows; 1999 = 49.1, 2000 = 58.0, 2001 = 57.8, 2002 = 58.4, 2003 = 57.5 & last year with Ownens 64.0 for a career percentage of 58.3.

 

Vick's passing completion percentages as follows; 2001 = 44.2, 2002 = 54.9, 2003 = 50.0 & last year 56.4 for a career percentage of 53.6.

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Just an FYI on the McNabb / Vick thingy.

 

McNabb's passing completion percentages as follows; 1999 = 49.1, 2000 = 58.0, 2001 = 57.8, 2002 = 58.4, 2003 = 57.5 & last year with Ownens 64.0 for a career percentage of 58.3.

 

Vick's passing completion percentages as follows; 2001 = 44.2, 2002 = 54.9, 2003 = 50.0 & last year 56.4 for a career percentage of 53.6.

 

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So even before Owens, McNabb had a higher completion percentage then Vick.

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Just an FYI on the McNabb / Vick thingy.

 

McNabb's passing completion percentages as follows; 1999 = 49.1, 2000 = 58.0, 2001 = 57.8, 2002 = 58.4, 2003 = 57.5 & last year with Ownens 64.0 for a career percentage of 58.3.

 

Vick's passing completion percentages as follows; 2001 = 44.2, 2002 = 54.9, 2003 = 50.0 & last year 56.4 for a career percentage of 53.6.

 

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so your point is both suck?

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Just an FYI on the McNabb / Vick thingy.

 

McNabb's passing completion percentages as follows; 1999 = 49.1, 2000 = 58.0, 2001 = 57.8, 2002 = 58.4, 2003 = 57.5 & last year with Ownens 64.0 for a career percentage of 58.3.

 

Vick's passing completion percentages as follows; 2001 = 44.2, 2002 = 54.9, 2003 = 50.0 & last year 56.4 for a career percentage of 53.6.

 

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Let's not forget about all those little passes to the RB. Before Owens I am assuming a RB led the Iggles in receptions. Much easier to complete a swing pass to a RB than any pass to a WR.

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