Steven Jackson

[stotan71]

I'm in a dynasty league with a salary cap measured in contract years. I have Steven Jackson on my "practice squad" from last year, and now need to decide if I'm going to keep him, I can sign him for up to 5 years.

 

What's the outlook for this guy? Is Faulk about ready to hang it up, and will Jackson flourish?

 

Thanks

[Caveman_Nick]

He's slated to be the main guy in one of the leagues top offenses, and he's in his second year. I'd say he's a keeper, allright.

[SLGRAF]

Keep Jackson. Faulk will play less and less between now and retirement.

[stotan71]

He's slated to be the main guy in one of the leagues top offenses, and he's in his second year.  I'd say he's a keeper, allright.

 

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That's my hope. I'm wondering how much Martz and Faulk are going to hinder his potential. Does anyone have a feel if Martz is high on this guy, or moving to a more run oriented offense?

 

I'm keeping him, but trying to evaluate if I'll still have a need at RB. I have Alexander and Chris Brown locked in, though I'm trying to move Brown.

[darin3]

I'm in a dynasty league with a salary cap measured in contract years.  I have Steven Jackson on my "practice squad" from last year, and now need to decide if I'm going to keep him, I can sign him for up to 5 years.

 

What's the outlook for this guy? Is Faulk about ready to hang it up, and will Jackson flourish?

 

Thanks

 

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Most definitely keep him... you've made an investment in him, might as well wait and see how he pans out as a starter.

 

HOWEVER, while I can't produce a to warrant this claim, I've heard that SJax lacks the "fire in the belly", the desire to work hard, the "make-up", if you will, of what is required of a truly studly NFL RB. That's a small concern, if you ask me.

 

Now, as for Faulk, I think he still has some value left in him. Everything Mad Martz has said up to this point is that Faulk will be on the field a ton. From split-back sets, to I-sets, to flanking Faulk out. SJax is slated as the "starter", but as you'll see in my next response, I'd take that with a grain of salt.

 

He's slated to be the main guy in one of the leagues top offenses, and he's in his second year.  I'd say he's a keeper, allright.

 

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Uh, yeah, one of the top offenses that centers around the PASS, not the run. Faulk was an uber-stud because he was so prolific CATCHING the ball, not running after handoffs. I mean, he got his share of carries, but if this offense was your typical pro-set offense, would Faulk really have been that valuable? I say no. That said, Jackson will be the main ball CARRIER. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure Jackson's that good of a receiver out of the backfield.

 

Keep Jackson.  Faulk will play less and less between now and retirement.

 

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As much as I'm down on SJax, I have to agree here. As Faulk gets older and SJax (hopefully) improves - especially his receiving skills - SJax's value should increase.

 

That's my hope. I'm wondering how much Martz and Faulk are going to hinder his potential. Does anyone have a feel if Martz is high on this guy, or moving to a more run oriented offense?

 

I'm keeping him, but trying to evaluate if I'll still have a need at RB.  I have Alexander and Chris Brown locked in, though I'm trying to move Brown.

 

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Exactly my point. This is a pass-happy offense... included in this are the running backs. SJax will get carries, though, and should make the most of them. I just wouldn't count on him being a #1 fantasy RB now or in the near future.

 

I agree with your trying to move Brown. Alexander, with SJax as your #2 fantasy RB, would be solid.

Edited August 9, 2005 by darin3

[Roo]

Is it known that SJax is a poor receiver? I mean he doesn't have to be Faulk level to catch 5-8 balls per game.

[Clubfoothead]

Is it known that SJax is a poor receiver?  I mean he doesn't have to be Faulk level to catch 5-8 balls per game.

 

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I wanted the Cowboys to draft Jackson sooooooooooooooooo bad. He's just a big Faulk, IMHO. That's what I thought before last year's draft and based upon who drafted him I think a professional agrees with me. He is a dual threat.

 

IMHO he is 1 year away from taking over in St. Louis. I'm a bit concerned abouta RBBC situation this year in St. Louis and I'm not a local but I's sign him for 5 personally.

[darin3]

Is it known that SJax is a poor receiver?  I mean he doesn't have to be Faulk level to catch 5-8 balls per game.

 

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True enough. But...

 

SJax, while at OSU:

 

"In 36 games, he carried 743 times for 3625 yards (4.9 avg) and 39 touchdowns while adding 680 yards and six scores on 66 catches (10.3 avg)"

 

So, just about 2 catches per game in college. Of course OSU didn't feature an offense like Martz's system.

 

Jackson only has 19 receptions for 189 yards in 2 years with the Rams.

[darin3]

I wanted the Cowboys to draft Jackson sooooooooooooooooo bad.  He's just a big Faulk, IMHO. That's what I thought before last year's draft and based upon who drafted him I think a professional agrees with me. He is a dual threat.

 

IMHO he is 1 year away from taking over in St. Louis.  I'm a bit concerned abouta RBBC situation this year in St. Louis and I'm not a local but I's sign him for 5 personally.

 

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Sorry boss but you are dead wrong here.

 

Although... he would have fit nicely into the Cowboy sytem as a pure runner. He can catch the ball on an occasional swing pass or screen, but there is no way in hell is even close to being Faulk-like receiving-wise.

Edited August 9, 2005 by darin3

[Clubfoothead]

Sorry boss but you are dead wrong here.

 

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He's not used as one. He is one. When Faulk is gone you'll see.

 

He can catch the ball and can put up good numbers when doing so just look at his numbers from college on just two catches per game. 10.3 ypc and a TD per 10 catches. He has only 19 catches in two seasons with the Rams but according to thehuddle the only threw to him 24 times last year where he had 18 catches for 168 yards. That's still 9.3 ypc and they threw to Faulk almost 3 times as much as Jackson (66 passes thrown to Faulk last year). Maybe they lack confidence in him catching but his ypc in both college and pros tells me he is a factor in the passing game when used in it. Something I anticipate happening more once Faulk is gone.

 

We can agree to disagree. I think we can both be right on this one if you want.

[darin3]

  He's not used as one.  He is one.  When Faulk is gone you'll see. 

 

He can catch the ball and can put up good numbers when doing so just look at his numbers from college on just two catches per game.  10.3 ypc and a TD per 10 catches.  He has only 19 catches in two seasons with the Rams but according to thehuddle the only threw to him 24 times last year where he had 18 catches for 168 yards.  That's still 9.3 ypc and they threw to Faulk almost 3 times as much as Jackson (66 passes thrown to Faulk last year).  Maybe they lack confidence in him catching but his ypc in both college and pros tells me he is a factor in the passing game when used in it.  Something I anticipate happening more once Faulk is gone.

 

We can agree to disagree.  I think we can both be right on this one if you want. 

 

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Yeah it'll be interesting to see how he's used now that he has the "starter" moniker. From what it sounds like, to me, Martz is still not comfortable with SJax as a the primary back WITH receiving responsibilities. Either that, or he's holding onto the Faulk too long. Maybe a bit of both.

[Fatman]

Jackson only has 19 receptions for 189 yards in 2 years with the Rams.

 

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He was a rookie last year...

[Clubfoothead]

Yeah it'll be interesting to see how he's used now that he has the "starter" moniker.  From what it sounds like, to me, Martz is still not comfortable with SJax as a the primary back WITH receiving responsibilities.  Either that, or he's holding onto the Faulk too long.  Maybe a bit of both.

 

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I think a lot like Martz apparently . If I'm right he simply thinks Jackson is one year away from becoming a stud NFL RB. Of course I had never heard that fire in the gut stuff which would be a logical reason for the Tuna not listening to me and passing on Jackson.

[Balzac]

Jackson only has 19 receptions for 189 yards in 2 years with the Rams.

 

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I know I'm getting old, but I believe he's only played 1 year. That said, let's look at his reception to carries ratio - 19 reception to 134 carries. Draw that out over 300 carries and that gives you a very serviceable 43 receptions. Maybe it's more reasonable to predict 250 carries . . . that still gets you 35 receptions.

 

I don't think his receiving skills will be an issue. He's certainly not going to grab you 80 nabs, but he'll be good enough.

[darin3]

He was a rookie last year...

 

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Correct, NFL.com and ESPN both list him as having 2 years of NFL experience. Guess they both think the season's officially kicked off.

 

I think a lot like Martz  apparently  .  If I'm right he simply thinks Jackson is one year away from becoming a stud NFL RB.  Of course I had never heard that fire in the gut stuff which would be a logical reason for the Tuna not listening to me and passing on Jackson.

 

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I swear on my own life I heard that from what I remember to be a credible source. Didn't he slip in the draft quite a bit? Not just past the 'Boys (who I thought were a shoo-in to pick him)... but past many teams that had RB needs?

 

 

I know I'm getting old, but I believe he's only played 1 year.  That said, let's look at his reception to carries ratio - 19 reception to 134 carries.  Draw that out over 300 carries and that gives you a very serviceable 43 receptions.  Maybe it's more reasonable to predict 250 carries . . . that still gets you 35 receptions. 

 

I don't think his receiving skills will be an issue.  He's certainly not going to grab you 80 nabs, but he'll be good enough.

 

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Again, correct, he was a rookie last year... I gave too much credence to what was listed on NFL.com and ESPN.com. I need to listen to my head, not rely on what is depicted online.

 

35 receptions... that's 6 games for Faulk! My main contention was that in no way, shape or form will SJax ever measure up to what Faulk was as a receiver.

[Clubfoothead]

I swear on my own life I heard that from what I remember to be a credible source.  Didn't he slip in the draft quite a bit?  Not just past the 'Boys (who I thought were a shoo-in to pick him)... but past many teams that had RB needs?

 

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Yep I believe the Lions passed on him too when they took Kevin Jones so there could certainly be credence to what your source has told you.

[darin3]

Yep I believe the Lions passed on him too when they took Kevin Jones so there could certainly be credence to what your source has told you.

 

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I heard it on the radio, or perhaps TV.

 

Don't get me wrong - I remember watching him at OSU (plenty of Pac-10 games broadcast here) and thinking "what a effin' stud... gotta remember this guy come draft day in a couple years".

 

2004 draft... Teams that could have picked him (that had RB issues) include:

 

Oakland: Really needed a hugh O-lineman, and couldn't pass on the massive Gallery

Arizona: Had Shipp and Emmitt, and couldn't pass on Fitgerald

Cleveland: Couldn't pass up a stud TE like Winslow, and had Green.

Jacksonville: Somewhat surprised they didn't take SJax at the 9th pick, given Taylor's injury history.

Chicago: Surprised the Bears didn't get him, but I believe Jones was there prior to the draft. They also fell in love with big Tommie Harris.

Denver: Another surprise pass on SJax here. Imagine what he could do in that system?

Minnesota: Would have been a nice fit with C-Pepp and Moss. They had obvious RB issues.

 

Detroit actually picked K. Jones 6 spots later at #30. So I guess SJax didn't really fall that much... although I guarantee teams like Miami (picked Vernon Carey - who?), Denver (although they got a stud LB in the making there) and Seattle (should have stayed in the Pacific NW... Seattle got Marcus Tubbs - who?) could have let SA go with SJax waiting in the wings.

[stotan71]

Thanks for all of the great feedback.

 

I love what he did when got to play. Here's hoping Faulk decides to pursue his paleontology interests full time.

[Caveman_Nick]

Jackson only has 19 receptions for 189 yards in 2 years with the Rams.

 

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One year with the Rams, and a year in which he did not start out as the featured back. He carried 134 times and caught 19 passes while starting only 4 games.

 

A featured back will get 300+ carries. Multiply his use by 2.5, and you get 345 carries and 47 catches for approximately 1500 yds Ru and 500 yds Re, plus 10 TDs.

 

Be down on him, but he is a stud performer in a stud offense. SJax will have a nice year IMHO, and all the people that pass him by in round 2 because they thing he'll lose carries to over-the-hill Marshall Faulk will be hitting themselves in the head for underestimating him.