loyaltybuilder@everestkc.net Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 (edited) OK, Bare with me!! (It's a little complicated but compelling AND I'm desparate!!) We have a 12 team keeper league. We protect 6 players and "transition 3". 3 players that we "transition" can be plucked from our team in a round that goes off prior to actual draft. (Each team has the option to swap their 1st round pick for one of the available "transition" players. After the transition round, the regular draft begins!! Keep in mind, our league with 12 teams at 9 players each begins drafting with 108 players already OFF THE BOARD!!. This approach while not opening up many top tier players to the draft REALLY forces us to focus on the future and many times take rookies/sleepers in the first and 2nd rounds. Here's my line up: (Each position ranked with my favorite first) RB: S. Alexander, Ste. Jackson, W. McGahee WR: Andre Johnson, Javon Walker, Lee Evans TE: Tony Gonzales QB: Eli Manning, B. Leftwich, JP Losman Here's my Dilemma: I had won the title 3 years in a row and 1 more several years back. My team aged and I also got a little ancy and decided to move ahead with a "Serious Youth Movement" and made several trades that garnered me several draft picks and the ability to draft rookie running backs, receivers, and QBs over the last couple of years and as you can see above, I do have a YOUNG team. The time has come for me to make my move and as I currently view my team, my QBs while all have potential, none of them have proven enough for me to send one of my more "sure" players into the "transition" round of my draft... But, I am pretty sure one, two, and maybe three of them may be "plucked" off of the "transition" round. should I decide to go with the following line up submission before our upcoming draft: Here's what I was thinking of submitting: Protected Players (no one can touch them) - 6 players Sh. Alexander, St. Jackson, W. McGahee-RBs Andre Johnson, J. Walker-WRs T. Gonzales-TE Transition Players (Can be taken for a 1st round pick) - 3 players Eli Manning, B. Leftwich, JP Losman Odd Man Out: Lee Evans Logic: Keeping the Sure thing players (and the coveted running backs) and throwing to the wolves my 3 unproven Quarterbacks and hoping one or two of the quarterbacks do not get taken in the transition round. In other words, I like my QBs for the future, but am not sold on any of the three in particular?? Make sense?? Drawback to my logic: What IF!! Manning is a Superstar on someone else's team. What If!! Leftwich's new Downfield passing attack is for real!! (on someone else's team) What if!! Losman is the crafty kid I suspect he might be (on someone else's team) Also, while only starting one QB our point system does give them significant value in our league. As you can tell by what has probably been the longest post in the history of this forum, I am really stressed about this and am hoping for some guidance and any suggestions. P.S. I'm not opposed to dropping one of my receivers into the transition round and "protecting" one of the 3 QBs but hell, I cannot figure out which one to "believe" in. Nor am I opposed to Dropping Gonzales into the transition round ONLY because he is the "old man" on my team. Thanks for those of you who actually had the patience to read this entire post and I apologize for it in advance....NOW PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME!!! Our deadline to turn in protected rosters is 8/20. Draft is on 8/27. Thanks a TON!! Edited August 15, 2005 by loyaltybuilder@everestkc.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenokee Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I cant see you tagging one of your QBs over the 6 players you mention. You stated that 108 players are off the board before the draft starts. Sounds more like 72, with owners having an option for the other 36. I'm sure you've scoured the other rosters in attempts to figure out who may be available to you (QB wise) during the transition rounds. Does it look like the QB pool will only consist of your QBs, or will others fall into this category? If you think the only QBs you will have access to will be yours, then I can see your concern. What about attempting to trade for a QB with one of your keepers? Gonzo is a stud no doubt, but if QB points are significant, it might behoove you to look at the trade market to secure a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I'd at least move Evans into the transition ranks (at the expense of Losman. Whether or not you want to protect Gonzales depends on whether you think you have a winner on your hands in the next year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 What about attempting to trade for a QB with one of your keepers? Gonzo is a stud no doubt, but if QB points are significant, it might behoove you to look at the trade market to secure a QB. 927187[/snapback] Excellent point. I really like the idea of trading Gonzo for a "for sure" quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyaltybuilder@everestkc.net Posted August 15, 2005 Author Share Posted August 15, 2005 I cant see you tagging one of your QBs over the 6 players you mention. You stated that 108 players are off the board before the draft starts. Sounds more like 72, with owners having an option for the other 36. I'm sure you've scoured the other rosters in attempts to figure out who may be available to you (QB wise) during the transition rounds. Does it look like the QB pool will only consist of your QBs, or will others fall into this category? If you think the only QBs you will have access to will be yours, then I can see your concern. What about attempting to trade for a QB with one of your keepers? Gonzo is a stud no doubt, but if QB points are significant, it might behoove you to look at the trade market to secure a QB. 927187[/snapback] No there will be others available in the transition round, only a few worth mentioning...Kerry Collins, Billy Volek and a few that are vets with only a year or two left in the tank. Perhaps a trade after draft day may be in the cards. If you had to Pick ONE, which of my 3 QBs would be a keeper?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 No there will be others available in the transition round, only a few worth mentioning...Kerry Collins, Billy Volek and a few that are vets with only a yearor two left in the tank. Perhaps a trade after draft day may be in the cards. If you had to Pick ONE, which of my 3 QBs would be a keeper?? 929463[/snapback] If I had to pick, I'd go with Eli. Definitely not Losman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorAvatar Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 How likely is it that you would be able to pick up Collins or another QB in the transition round? (Maybe someone like Warner/Delhomme/Pennington/McNair/Brees)? How many QBs are going to be protected, I can't image many more than 1 per team, so 12-16? Without knowing those answers, my first thought is that I would keep the 6 you mentioned and try to pick up a QB in the transition round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenokee Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 If I HAD to pick one of your QBs??? I guess I'd go with Eli over Leftwich. But that doesnt fill your needs. Collins would be more than serviceable if you know you could land him. If not.........trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butkus Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 As I see it you have two choices. You keep the 6 you mentioned (3 backs, 2 WRs and 1 TE), draft the best QB you can and go for the win this year, hoping to pick up a young sleeper QB later in the draft this year or next. OR... You drop Gonzo and place your bets on Eli or Leftwich. Personally, I think you have a solid squad and go for it this year as that choice won't hurt you much next year with that young squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 (edited) Keep the 6 you mentioned and look QB in the draft. Do you really think all three of those QBs will be taken in the transition round? I don't, meaning they would be available to you in the draft should they be the highest ranked QB when your picks come up, but I do think any of the other 6 players you mentioned will be taken in the transition, meaning they would not be available to you in the draft. Heck, put Evans in the transition and toss one of the QBs straight into the draft pool just to guarantee at least one of them will be in the draft pool. (Unless you get to keep any unclaimed transition player or are rewarded in some way if one of your transition players is taken, but your post does not indicate this) Seems to me that if the rules are you keep 6, transition 3 for the transition round, but get no reward and don't keep them if they are not claimed, and all others are tossed back, strategy for you would dictate NOT transitioning any of the QBs so that they are definitely in the regular draft pool and actually transitioning 3 scrub players from your roster. Edited August 16, 2005 by Big Country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyaltybuilder@everestkc.net Posted August 16, 2005 Author Share Posted August 16, 2005 Keep the 6 you mentioned and look QB in the draft. Do you really think all three of those QBs will be taken in the transition round? I don't, meaning they would be available to you in the draft should they be the highest ranked QB when your picks come up, but I do think any of the other 6 players you mentioned will be taken in the transition, meaning they would not be available to you in the draft. Heck, put Evans in the transition and toss one of the QBs straight into the draft pool just to guarantee at least one of them will be in the draft pool. (Unless you get to keep any unclaimed transition player or are rewarded in some way if one of your transition players is taken, but your post does not indicate this) Seems to me that if the rules are you keep 6, transition 3 for the transition round, but get no reward and don't keep them if they are not claimed, and all others are tossed back, strategy for you would dictate NOT transitioning any of the QBs so that they are definitely in the regular draft pool and actually transitioning 3 scrub players from your roster. 931418[/snapback] Should have made it more clear. We cannot take our own transition players and we DO get the other team's 1st round pick should they take a transition player. But, I like where you are headed. My primary risk is really one of having to "deal" with someone getting one of those guys that I drafted initially and them panning out for their team....And, again our league definitely takes a more long term approach aimed at building dynasties rather than one season at a time. Your take is one I should really think through though. Since none of them are "clear cut" it would be foolish to protect them. Transitioning them is a different story because I am at least rewarded with a 1st round pick should they leave. thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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