missilemike Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I am commissioner of a league where a qb gets the same scoring for a td as a rb or wr, this trade just happened: QB Carson Palmer, CIN RB Curtis Martin, NYJ WR Marvin Harrison, IND for RB Stephen Davis, CAR WR Plaxico Burress, NYG It seems to me to be an extremely lopsided trade, any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Wrong forum, and perhaps slightly lopsided, but only collusion if they intentionally are cheating. Also, for anyone to make a truly educated opinion, we'd have to see both rosters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote Quimby2 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 oh noes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithkt Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Not completely lopsided. Without knowing the rest of the rosters, it's not possible to give a better response. Based only on the players listed it seems a little loaded toward the team getting Palmer and Harrison, but not completely rediculous. Martin has been a non factor and may be playing on a bad knee. The offense for the Jets has a very tough schedule coming up as well. If you want a better reasoned answer, give us the rest of the rosters for these two teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I am commissioner of a league where a qb gets the same scoring for a td as a rb or wr, this trade just happened: QB Carson Palmer, CIN RB Curtis Martin, NYJ WR Marvin Harrison, IND for RB Stephen Davis, CAR WR Plaxico Burress, NYG It seems to me to be an extremely lopsided trade, any thoughts? 1045220[/snapback] Looks like collusion from here. but there is always a chance it is just a dumb owner do these 2 players have a past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missilemike Posted October 5, 2005 Author Share Posted October 5, 2005 Sorry for posting in wrong forum, I debated as to which it belongs..... Mods please move... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I am commissioner of a league where a qb gets the same scoring for a td as a rb or wr, this trade just happened: QB Carson Palmer, CIN RB Curtis Martin, NYJ WR Marvin Harrison, IND for RB Stephen Davis, CAR WR Plaxico Burress, NYG It seems to me to be an extremely lopsided trade, any thoughts? 1045220[/snapback] Yes, it is a one-sided trade and should not be allowed. Collusion? You have to answer that yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Not completely lopsided. Without knowing the rest of the rosters, it's not possible to give a better response. Based only on the players listed it seems a little loaded toward the team getting Palmer and Harrison, but not completely rediculous. Martin has been a non factor and may be playing on a bad knee. The offense for the Jets has a very tough schedule coming up as well. If you want a better reasoned answer, give us the rest of the rosters for these two teams. 1045239[/snapback] Come on ..... COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missilemike Posted October 5, 2005 Author Share Posted October 5, 2005 New rosters, post trade: QB B. Leftwich JAC 7 QB S. McNair TEN 10 QB C. Palmer CIN 10 QB B. Roethlisberger PIT 4 RB S. Alexander SEA 8 RB C. Martin NYJ 8 RB L. Suggs CLE 4 RB C. Williams TB 7 WR A. Boldin ARI 6 WR B. Edwards CLE 4 WR L. Fitzgerald ARI 6 WR M. Harrison IND 8 WR C. Johnson CIN 10 WR E. Moulds BUF 9 WR S. Smith CAR 7 TE A. Gates SD 10 PK N. Kaeding SD 10 PK R. Longwell GB 6 Def Chargers SD 10 Def Panthers CAR 7 Roster Pos Player Tm Bye QB K. Collins OAK 5 QB K. Detmer PHI 6 QB M. Tuiasosopo OAK 5 RB D. Foster CAR 7 RB S. Davis CAR 7 RB R. Droughns CLE 4 RB D. Davis HOU 3 RB L. Johnson KC 5 RB S. Jackson STL 9 RB T. Jones CHI 4 WR P. Burress NYG 5 WR K. Johnson DAL 9 WR A. Randle El PIT 4 WR M. Muhammad CHI 4 WR T. Taylor MIN 5 TE C. Anderson OAK 5 TE S. Heiden CLE 4 PK S. Graham CIN 10 Def Bears CHI 4 2 more notes: 1. they are very good friends 2. the same owner turned down Palmer for Owens straight up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 What are their records. Why would anyone tank the season after 4 weeks. I think the Palmer owner is a moran for not taking the TO deal but taking the other deal, but everyone values players differently. Without knowing more, I'd still doubt it's collusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Is it collusion? If you have proof that they willingly and knowingly conspired to load one team to improve it's chances of winning at the expense of the other team then yes it is collusion. Otherwise stop whinning and get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithkt Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Come on ..... COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS!! 1045247[/snapback] Thanks for the well thought out response. Perhaps you'd like to enlighten the rest of us and provide an analysis of why you think this trade is so completely one-sided without even seeing the rosters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Why collusion vs. bad trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Some things the Palmer owner might be thinking: Plax is on fire, one of the hottest WR's in the game, the primary WR on the highest scoring team in the league so far. Harrison hasn't been great, neither has the Colts, and the need to pass has lessened with the better defense. CuMar is banged up and has sucked. S. Davis has 6 TD's. He thinks he's getting a WR and RB upgrade, is undervaluing Palmer who really hasn't faced a tough defense so maybe he's thinking for tough times coming for Palmer. As for not taking TO, maybe he's concerned about the McNabb injury. It's not as far fetched as you might think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marillion Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 So you think they are stacking team 1? What is owner 2's incentive to stack team 1? Do you think they have secretly agreed to combine their efforts in order to give team 1 a better chance to win some money? Have they secretly agreed to split that money if team 1 does in fact win? If they are sacrificing one team to try to improve the other team for the mutual benefit of both owners, it's collusion. Otherwise, it's just a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithkt Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Some things the Palmer owner might be thinking: Plax is on fire, one of the hottest WR's in the game, the primary WR on the highest scoring team in the league so far. Harrison hasn't been great, neither has the Colts, and the need to pass has lessened with the better defense. CuMar is banged up and has sucked. S. Davis has 6 TD's. He thinks he's getting a WR and RB upgrade, is undervaluing Palmer who really hasn't faced a tough defense so maybe he's thinking for tough times coming for Palmer. As for not taking TO, maybe he's concerned about the McNabb injury. It's not as far fetched as you might think. 1045267[/snapback] Nicely reasoned. (take notes theprofessor) One thing that strikes me though is the owner giving up Palmer has Detmer & Tuiasosopo as backups? Not the best move in the world unless he thinks there is another deal to be done or sees someone on the waiver wire he might pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 One thing that strikes me though is the owner giving up Palmer has Detmer & Tuiasosopo as backups? Not the best move in the world unless he thinks there is another deal to be done or sees someone on the waiver wire he might pick up. 1045279[/snapback] Wrong, he has Leftwich, McNair and Roethlisberger, so he has the QB depth to make a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marillion Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Nicely reasoned. (take notes theprofessor) One thing that strikes me though is the owner giving up Palmer has Detmer & Tuiasosopo as backups? Not the best move in the world unless he thinks there is another deal to be done or sees someone on the waiver wire he might pick up. 1045279[/snapback] Maybe he has decided that he is willing to take the risk that Collins won't get hurt this season. Stop trying to manage the guy's team for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 no, the line-ups were POST trade... it looks awful after seeing the rosters...no way he trades Palmer with THOSE back-ups.. collusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 New rosters, post trade: QB B. Leftwich JAC 7 QB S. McNair TEN 10 QB C. Palmer CIN 10 QB B. Roethlisberger PIT 4 RB S. Alexander SEA 8 RB C. Martin NYJ 8 RB L. Suggs CLE 4 RB C. Williams TB 7 WR A. Boldin ARI 6 WR B. Edwards CLE 4 WR L. Fitzgerald ARI 6 WR M. Harrison IND 8 WR C. Johnson CIN 10 WR E. Moulds BUF 9 WR S. Smith CAR 7 TE A. Gates SD 10 PK N. Kaeding SD 10 PK R. Longwell GB 6 Def Chargers SD 10 Def Panthers CAR 7 Roster Pos Player Tm Bye QB K. Collins OAK 5 QB K. Detmer PHI 6 QB M. Tuiasosopo OAK 5 RB D. Foster CAR 7 RB S. Davis CAR 7 RB R. Droughns CLE 4 RB D. Davis HOU 3 RB L. Johnson KC 5 RB S. Jackson STL 9 RB T. Jones CHI 4 WR P. Burress NYG 5 WR K. Johnson DAL 9 WR A. Randle El PIT 4 WR M. Muhammad CHI 4 WR T. Taylor MIN 5 TE C. Anderson OAK 5 TE S. Heiden CLE 4 PK S. Graham CIN 10 Def Bears CHI 4 2 more notes: 1. they are very good friends 2. the same owner turned down Palmer for Owens straight up.... 1045248[/snapback] This part makes no sense to me, team#1 has Roth,Mcnair, and Leftwich, plus acquiring Palmer, while team #2 loses Palmer, while only having Collins, Detmer?, M. Tuiasosopo ? While doesn't say whether start 1 or 2, essentially gave up his best qb. Rb situation pretty much same deal. Whole thing makes no sense, doesn't deem it collusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithkt Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Wrong, he has Leftwich, McNair and Roethlisberger, so he has the QB depth to make a move. 1045282[/snapback] Sorry Hugh, I think you need to read this again. The rosters shown are post trade. This means Palmer was on the team with Collins before the trade. This leaves the team with no viable backup QB. This is the only thing I see about this trade I think is completely stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithkt Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Maybe he has decided that he is willing to take the risk that Collins won't get hurt this season. Stop trying to manage the guy's team for him. 1045284[/snapback] An opinion was solicited and one was given. I'm not trying to manage the guys team. Find another target for your hostility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Its at least one of the worst trades i have seen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Sorry Hugh, I think you need to read this again. The rosters shown are post trade. This means Palmer was on the team with Collins before the trade. This leaves the team with no viable backup QB. This is the only thing I see about this trade I think is completely stupid. 1045294[/snapback] :doah: Ahh yes, I missed that little detail. Stupid trade, but I still think it can be argued that it's not completely one-sided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marillion Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Maybe the guy figured that Curtis Martin wasn't getting the job done for him and that DeShawn Foster was riding the pine so he needed Stephen Davis to improve his RB production. And maybe he looked at the year-to-date results and figured that Plaxico Burress was just as valuable, if not more, than Marvin Harrison. And maybe he reluctantly had to include Carson Palmer in the deal because that's the only way he could get the deal done. And maybe he figured Kerry Collins would give him almost as good production as Palmer, and he was willing to take the chance that Collins would stay healthy in order to improve his RB and WR positions. Maybe you should let the guy manage his own team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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