BigMikeinNY Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 (edited) Ok, I love poker.....But right now, no!! Ace-10 suited.....10,6,2 hits the board... ...I have high pair with Ace Kicker.... Biggest bluffer at the table goes all in.....I call him He has K-5......... He catches RUNNER 5 -RUNNER 5 to give him trip 5's! Thanks for letting me vent Edited July 10, 2006 by BigMikeinNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Poker is about making correct decisions. You read the player and the cards correctly. You got your money in with the best of it. You can never feel bad when you made the correct play and just get beat by a suck out. He just got lucky catching runner runner. You did the right thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Poker is about making correct decisions. You read the player and the cards correctly. You got your money in with the best of it. You can never feel bad when you made the correct play and just get beat by a suck out. He just got lucky catching runner runner. You did the right thing... I agree with everything except that you CAN feel bad that you got real unlucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 You would have been OK about 90% of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 He has K-5......... He catches RUNNER 5 -RUNNER 5 to give him trip 5's! Just keep playing with that dope...he probably still feels he made the right move, going all-in with K-5. He sounds like free money to me...you'll get your ching back, with interest, in short order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I don't need to read stories like this before my Borgata trip in 2 days. Yep, bad beat. I really hate loose players sometimes. :mad: I know it makes no difference now, but he'll get his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 (edited) I played this weekend & picked up a flush on the river to beat the straight my opponent went all-in with. Same situation where he was a big bluffer, but I chose the wrong time to call him on it and got lucky. He congratulated me on sticking with the hand & pulling one out while I humbly told him it was just luck. Then we both argued with some moran who tried to tell us both that luck plays little into poker. Then we both laughed as he got his ass spanked a few hands later. The other guy told him before he hit the door that he guessed since luck played little into it then he was just a sh*tty poker player. The guy left with only a "fu". Edited July 10, 2006 by rajncajn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Poker is about making correct decisions. You read the player and the cards correctly. You got your money in with the best of it. You can never feel bad when you made the correct play and just get beat by a suck out. He just got lucky catching runner runner. You did the right thing... yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 (edited) I don't need to read stories like this before my Borgata trip in 2 days. Yep, bad beat. I really hate loose players sometimes. :mad: I know it makes no difference now, but he'll get his. Slightly off-topic, but here goes... I read a story in the most recent issue of Time magazine about alot of money being invested into Atlantic City for non-gambling purposes - a couple new shopping malls, some high end restaurants, etc. - all in an effort to give A.C. more of a Vegas feel, meaning a place where you can take your family on vacation, with something for everything. Seems that in years past, AC took in nearly as much as Vegas annually in terms of gambling revenues, but Vegas' non-gambling revenues dwarfed those of AC, by maybe a ratio of 10-to-1. So now AC is going through what vegas went through in the 80s and 90s, mostly in response to when Steve Wynn built the Mirage. The article drew a parallel from that to the opening of the Borgata in Ac as spurring a new investment phase, specifically into non-gambling entertainment. I haven't been to AC in a couple years, but I know you go every year. I'd be curious as to your take on this, especially after your upcoming visit. I know the Borgata is a little off the beaten path in AC (in terms of not being directly on the strip), I don't know if you typically get around a little, but I'd be curious if it is tranforming itself into a little more of a family destination, and how succesful they've been so far. Or, put another way - can I now try to sell my wife on an Atlantic City vacation for the family? Edited July 10, 2006 by Easy n Dirty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclones Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I played this weekend & picked up a flush on the river to beat the straight my opponent went all-in with. Same situation where he was a big bluffer, but I chose the wrong time to call him on it and got lucky. He congratulated me on sticking with the hand & pulling one out while I humbly told him it was just luck. Then we both argued with some moran who tried to tell us both that luck plays little into poker. Then we both laughed as he got his ass spanked a few hands later. The other guy told him before he hit the door that he guessed since luck played little into it then he was just a sh*tty poker player. The guy left with only a "fu". Well let's say this. Since "luck" is just that, "luck," we must assume that all players carry the same ratio of luck. Luck is something that occurs by random chance, which means that over the long haul, no one player is "luckier" than any other player. Due to this equal distribution of "luck," it becomes a non factor. Sure, on any one hand, any one player can get lucky. But over the course of a game, luck should be equally distributed, which means it should not be considered a factor in poker over the long haul. Why do you think the same dudes are always showing up at final tables and winning bracelets? Because they are better players. In fantasy football terms, I look at it the same as leagues that award 6 pts for passing TDs. This often creates the perception that QBs are suddenly more valuable, but since ALL QBs get 6 pts per passing TD, their value remains largely the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I wouldn't take kids to AC. I barely leave the casino. I don't see anything for the kids to do in Atlantic City besides hang out on the beach. And it's not a great beach by any means from what I've heard. I've never even stepped on the sand. I haven't been down to the boardwalk in a couple of years (I stay at Harrahs or Borgata). I do plan on going down to the Showboat for the first time in ages this time as I have some deals there so we'll see how it is. You could pick up Borgata and place it right beside any casino in Vegas and it'd be just as nice. I just don't see much for children to do there though. Harrah's is decent as well, but these are far from the boardwalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Or, put another way - can I now try to sell my wife on an Atlantic City vacation for the family? In a short answer....YES! Beach, boardwark, world-class shopping, rides, great restaurants, awesome nightclubs....anything you could want is now here. Just be prepared to pay the difference in what you'd spend in airfare to get to Vegas. Since its a northeast destination, drawing on NY, Philly and DC, it ain't cheap! Click on the Visitor Info link: http://www.cityofatlanticcity.org/ And "The Quarter" is awesome at the Trop: http://www.tropicana.net/thequarter/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Well let's say this. Since "luck" is just that, "luck," we must assume that all players carry the same ratio of luck. Luck is something that occurs by random chance, which means that over the long haul, no one player is "luckier" than any other player. Due to this equal distribution of "luck," it becomes a non factor. Sure, on any one hand, any one player can get lucky. But over the course of a game, luck should be equally distributed, which means it should not be considered a factor in poker over the long haul. Why do you think the same dudes are always showing up at final tables and winning bracelets? Because they are better players. In fantasy football terms, I look at it the same as leagues that award 6 pts for passing TDs. This often creates the perception that QBs are suddenly more valuable, but since ALL QBs get 6 pts per passing TD, their value remains largely the same. I do understand that & don't disagree one bit, but luck does play a big part in poker. Even the best of them can lose to the worst of them on any given day. So to say luck plays very little into poker is a ridiculous statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Or, put another way - can I now try to sell my wife on an Atlantic City vacation for the family? 5-10 years from now Atlantic City will be getting major competition from the Gulf Coast. From what I've seen so far the Eastern end of Biloxi will be nothing but condos, casinos, golf courses & the like. Nothing like having a clean slate to work with(no pun intended). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Well let's say this. Since "luck" is just that, "luck," we must assume that all players carry the same ratio of luck. Luck is something that occurs by random chance, which means that over the long haul, no one player is "luckier" than any other player. Due to this equal distribution of "luck," it becomes a non factor. Sure, on any one hand, any one player can get lucky. But over the course of a game, luck should be equally distributed, which means it should not be considered a factor in poker over the long haul. Why do you think the same dudes are always showing up at final tables and winning bracelets? Because they are better players. Gnerally true, IMO, but "over the long haul" means over literally thousands and thousands of hands. Over the course of a given game or a single tournament, luck is a very big factor, IMO. I think it's pretty hard if not impossible to win or even make the final table of a large tournament without sucking out once or twice, or at a minimum winning a couple coin flip hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I think it's pretty hard if not impossible to win or even make the final table of a large tournament without sucking out once or twice, or at a minimum winning a couple coin flip hands. yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclones Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Gnerally true, IMO, but "over the long haul" means over literally thousands and thousands of hands. Over the course of a given game or a single tournament, luck is a very big factor, IMO. I think it's pretty hard if not impossible to win or even make the final table of a large tournament without sucking out once or twice, or at a minimum winning a couple coin flip hands. Oh I agree 100%. In any tourney, you have to win a few races, which is "luck." During a give tourney the winner will have "gotten lucky" more than once. But you have to put yourself in a position to get lucky. Take Raymer in 2004....if you watched the final table you would say that he got lucky to win, but his play over the previous several days gave him that hugh stack which enabled him to make the plays he did. On the flip side, last year he got knocked out (crippled actually) with KK against Kanter holding JQh, after an all time terrible call by Kanter on the flop (with one hear on board) followed by a questionable call at best after the turn, only to river the flush. So Raymer got "lucky" in 2004, and "unlucky" in 2005. But he made it through over 5600 players last year. So in both years, luck played a factor into the outcomes, but overall his great play enabled him to win over 5 million bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 The skilled poker player will appear to be "unlucky" most of the time, as he is generally getting his money in with the best of it, or, put more correctly, when getting the correct odds to do so. A player like Gus Hansen appear to have a horseshoe lodged in his rectum, but, he is a math wiz and more times than not, the plays he makes are the ones that at the time were mathematically correct. I have a saying regarding the luck/skill component of tournament poker... It takes great skill to get to the point where luck affects your outcome. Yes, there are times where you get aces cracked on the first hand of the tournament, but, generally speaking, the more skilled players get to the end where the blinds are so high in relation to the stacks that luck becomes an ever increasing factor as players must move all in with less than optimal hands or situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 The skilled poker player will appear to be "unlucky" most of the time, as he is generally getting his money in with the best of it, or, put more correctly, when getting the correct odds to do so. A player like Gus Hansen appear to have a horseshoe lodged in his rectum, but, he is a math wiz and more times than not, the plays he makes are the ones that at the time were mathematically correct. I have a saying regarding the luck/skill component of tournament poker... It takes great skill to get to the point where luck affects your outcome. Yes, there are times where you get aces cracked on the first hand of the tournament, but, generally speaking, the more skilled players get to the end where the blinds are so high in relation to the stacks that luck becomes an ever increasing factor as players must move all in with less than optimal hands or situations. Very well put. One thought though - if you ever read Doyle Brunson's SuperSystem2, he advocates an extremely aggressive style of play for Hold 'Em (some say the cliff notes version reads simply "Bet"). And he states in there on several occasions that he often gets into big pots with the worst of it, because his style is so aggressive that on the occasions when he is called, he may often be on a draw or worse. I agree with Big Country's first paragraph above, makes alot of sense to me, but found Brunson's take to be almost the opposite (per what he said in that book). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 You would have been OK about 90% of the time Yeah, it's actually about 87, but you get the idea. The funny thing is the odds actually go down after catching the first 5 on the turn, he was about 89% after the turn. Just bad poker by the other guy that got rewarded. I'd love to have that guy at my game, all day, every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Or, put another way - can I now try to sell my wife on an Atlantic City vacation for the family? No, its a dump. Boardwalk is OK but its still not really family oriented. It keyed to the casinos. A family would be better off in Vegas. Stay in one of the nicer towns nearby, like Avalon, Stone Harbor, etc and run up to the casinos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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