CaP'N GRuNGe Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I thought I heard earlier today that the US was blaming Iran and Syria for the incursion into Israel that started this. We very well could be heading into a major conflict. Remember, WWI was started by the assassination of one single somewhat insignificant figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckB Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) I can't get past the fact that, in this day and age, someone would name their kid Nimrod. No disrespect to the deceased intended but I was laughing at that myself Edited July 13, 2006 by ChuckB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 All joking aside, this could get extremely ugly and it doesnt look like we are doing anything to avoid a fullscale problem over there. Right or wrong, if it gets ugly, it gets ugly for us too. Everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 All joking aside, this could get extremely ugly and it doesnt look like we are doing anything to avoid a fullscale problem over there. Right or wrong, if it gets ugly, it gets ugly for us too. Everywhere. yup i just hope its over in 10 to 14 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I thought I heard earlier today that the US was blaming Iran and Syria for the incursion into Israel that started this. We very well could be heading into a major conflict. Remember, WWI was started by the assassination of one single somewhat insignificant figure. dont forget god was a part of that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 All joking aside, this could get extremely ugly and it doesnt look like we are doing anything to avoid a fullscale problem over there. Right or wrong, if it gets ugly, it gets ugly for us too. Everywhere. An interesting read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) I thought I heard earlier today that the US was blaming Iran and Syria for the incursion into Israel that started this. We very well could be heading into a major conflict. Remember, WWI was started by the assassination of one single somewhat insignificant figure. Well, other countries blame us for off the wall stuff now it is our turn. And that insignificant figure (Archduke Ferdinand) was the heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Edited July 13, 2006 by I Like Soup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 An interesting read. That was a good read. Bush has had no Middle East core policy beyond invade Iraq and lose the war there. He has let Israel do anything it wants and has not engaged in diplomacy on any level over there. I dont think he knows how. And we havent even started talking about North Korea, who got frickin atomic weapons on his watch after calling his bluff five years ago. We are screwed for the next two years and I think it will take a long time to undo the damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Well, other countries blame us for off the wall stuff now it is our turn. And that insignificant figure (Archduke Ferdinand) was the heir to the throne Austro-Hungarian throne. Austria and Hungary? Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 That was a good read. Bush has had no Middle East core policy beyond invade Iraq and lose the war there. He has let Israel do anything it wants and has not engaged in diplomacy on any level over there. I dont think he knows how. And we havent even started talking about North Korea, who got frickin atomic weapons on his watch after calling his bluff five years ago. We are screwed for the next two years and I think it will take a long time to undo the damage. To be fair Clinton didn't exactly handle NK all that well either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 That was a good read. Bush has had no Middle East core policy beyond invade Iraq and lose the war there. He has let Israel do anything it wants and has not engaged in diplomacy on any level over there. I dont think he knows how. And we havent even started talking about North Korea, who got frickin atomic weapons on his watch after calling his bluff five years ago. We are screwed for the next two years and I think it will take a long time to undo the damage. Agreed. I must now respond with...why do you and Grunge hate America? I find this quote interesting... "And without decisive American action in dealing with the Mideast, Iran and North Korea, things can quickly spin out of control." I guess that really points to the ineffectiveness of the UN and the need for America to lead the world in police actions. I'm glad to see y'all agree that Iraq should have been first on the list and we will now take out the other axis of evil entrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Agreed. I must now respond with...why do you and Grunge hate America? I find this quote interesting... "And without decisive American action in dealing with the Mideast, Iran and North Korea, things can quickly spin out of control." I guess that really points to the ineffectiveness of the UN and the need for America to lead the world in police actions. I'm glad to see y'all agree that Iraq should have been first on the list and we will now take out the other axis of evil entrants. Shouldn't we take care of Mexico first? Oh yeah, I forgot Bush has his puppet installed down there now. I expect full cooperation in border security from the Mexicans now that we have someone in place that Bush has endorsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 To be fair Clinton didn't exactly handle NK all that well either. Well, this is a couple of years old, but it addresses recent diplomacy since Clinton and NK. Agreed. I must now respond with...why do you and Grunge hate America? I find this quote interesting... "And without decisive American action in dealing with the Mideast, Iran and North Korea, things can quickly spin out of control." I guess that really points to the ineffectiveness of the UN and the need for America to lead the world in police actions. I'm glad to see y'all agree that Iraq should have been first on the list and we will now take out the other axis of evil entrants. The US leads by default but is most effective with a massive unified world behind it. Look at the amazing job Bush's dad did with UN sanction and backing. Crap, he got UN coalition members to pay for all of Desert Storm, even most of the travel costs for GI's to Kuwait on commercial airlines. His son got Costa Rica to send a couple donkeys and a guy with a machete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Well, this is a couple of years old, but it addresses recent diplomacy since Clinton and NK. That is just pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Well, this is a couple of years old, but it addresses recent diplomacy since Clinton and NK. The US leads by default but is most effective with a massive unified world behind it. Look at the amazing job Bush's dad did with UN sanction and backing. Crap, he got UN coalition members to pay for all of Desert Storm, even most of the travel costs for GI's to Kuwait on commercial airlines. His son got Costa Rica to send a couple donkeys and a guy with a machete. Thanks. That was a very informative article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Well, this is a couple of years old, but it addresses recent diplomacy since Clinton and NK. The US leads by default but is most effective with a massive unified world behind it. Look at the amazing job Bush's dad did with UN sanction and backing. Crap, he got UN coalition members to pay for all of Desert Storm, even most of the travel costs for GI's to Kuwait on commercial airlines. His son got Costa Rica to send a couple donkeys and a guy with a machete. The most telling quote for me from that link: "If you only get one subscription this year, buy the Washington Monthly. If you get another, buy two". James Carville Thats all I need to know about that magazine. Thanks, but like Skins posts, they wont be fair or accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) spain' date='7/13/06 4:39am' post='1554379']The most telling quote for me from that link: "If you only get one subscription this year, buy the Washington Monthly. If you get another, buy two". James Carville Thats all I need to know about that magazine. Thanks, but like Skins posts, they wont be fair or accurate. The irony is unbearable. Edited July 13, 2006 by cre8tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I have always thought - that Isreal has made all these concessions over the last year or two so they can whoop ass when the other side didn't step up to the plate (as the knew they wouldn't) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanruiz13 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Rockets fired from Lebanon hit the northern Israeli town of Safed on Thursday, hours after Israeli aircraft bombed Beirut International Airport. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/13/mideast/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 [joshua]Would you like to play a game?[/joshua] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Isreal has been pissed, and I don't blame em, since before I was born. Big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Probably the smartest thing you've ever said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 well, it didn't take long for skins to start blaming bush. i read something yesterday that mubarak (egypt) was very close to negotiating some sort of settlement to the palestinian kidnapping situation in the south. then hezbollah (which is controlled essentially by syria and iran) stepped in to screw it up and make sure the situation did NOT de-escalate. iran is driving this, pure and simple, to distract from all the focus on them and their nuclear bullchit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I will always remember Hillary hugging Arafat and proclaiming him a man of peace... Aint that kinda like ol Saddam and Rummy getting chummy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 I have always thought - that Isreal has made all these concessions over the last year or two so they can whoop ass when the other side didn't step up to the plate (as the knew they wouldn't) well, it's probably true to say they "knew they wouldn't". or at least that they were very much prepared for the possibility that their leaving gaza, the thing all the militant arabs had been whining for them to do for so long, would actually accomplish "peace". all that presumed foreknowledge really demonstrates is that israel KNEW all along who they were dealing with, and what their objectives were, and they went along with all the pullback demands simply in hopes that it would force the UN, western europe, etc. to finally actually recognize what they were dealing with as well. to implicitly blame israel for knowing that the palestinians were completely full of chit when they made huge concessions to them, as you seem to be doing here, is absolutely ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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