cre8tiff Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 (edited) apparently, news reports have aired on fox and cnn in the last few minutes that the hezbollah rockets fired into haifa this morning were actually missiles known to be manufactured in, you guessed it, iran...and the prime suspect is no longer hezbollah, but iranian revolutionary guard units stationed in southern lebanon. no link yet... Well then I guess that takes care of the Ezekiel angle. Anyone have a picture of the leader of Iran in a blue turban, perchance? I have always thought the airplanes in 911 were the "great arrow" shot at the "new city" in Nostradamus' predictions... Edited July 14, 2006 by cre8tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 We are spread thin already and can be spread even thinner if we get into it with Korea. If we "get into it" with Korea, it will be nothing like the puny little mideast scuffles we've dealt with in the past 3 decades. All bets are off at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Israel gave the Palestinians what they wanted, and they just kept up the same old sh*t. F'em. +100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 PEANUTS..GET YOUR PEANUTS HERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hezbollah may have overplayed its hand Islamic group bids to fill power vacuum But risks underestimating Israeli resolve Jul. 14, 2006. 01:00 AM MITCH POTTER MIDDLE EAST BUREAU JERUSALEM—There are multiple reasons why Hezbollah chose precisely this moment to throw an already turbulent Middle East into cartwheels of even greater turmoil. But for most observers, none stands larger than the militant Athenae Muslim movement's overarching quest to elevate itself as the pre-eminent defender of the pan-Arab realm. Whatever secondary reasons may come into play — and there is no question that for Hezbollah's sponsors in Syria and Iran the new crisis presents a convenient diversion from the critical issues confronting them — Arab-Muslim pride is paramount. Scan the Arab press response to Wednesday's cross-border abductions of two Israeli soldiers and you will soon get the idea. The London-based daily Al-Quds al-Arabi cast the Hezbollah raid as "Arab-Islamic solidarity in its brightest form." The Saudi-financed Al-Hayat hailed it the best imaginable answer to Israel's "brutal terrorism in Gaza," proclaiming Hezbollah's expertise in "deterring the Israeli insolence." The Syrian propaganda sheet Al-Thawra poured praise on Israel's "humiliation" as a tonic for the bruised Arab soul. With Iraq sliding powerlessly toward civil war and the Palestinian Gaza Strip a mess as never before, Hezbollah seized a moment where intent, opportunity and impact blended for maximum synchronicity. "Put the Hezbollah attacks in the context of history: Gamal Abdul Nasser the great Arab nationalist is gone, (Iraq's) Saddam Hussein is crushed, (Libya's) Moammar Gadhafi is domesticated and (the late Palestinian leader) Yasser Arafat was quarantined," said Dan Schueftan, a senior fellow at the Shalem Centre, a Jerusalem-based research centre. "Everyone is gone. So by acting now, Hezbollah is exploiting that vacuum to establish itself, at the service of Iran, as the last hope for radicals in the Middle East." There is a huge gamble involved in Hezbollah's play — the bet that sooner or later Israel will submit to its ransom demands, as it has done in the past, and leave the group's Beirut-based leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah as the saviour of Arab dignity. But the bellicose mood gathering momentum throughout Israel suggests that this time Hezbollah's bet is sorely misplaced. "This is not arm-wresting or a test of false machismo. It is a fateful battle: a victory over Israel, even the symbolic-propaganda type ... will release demons across the entire Middle East," commentator Sever Plotzker wrote yesterday on the front page of Yedioth Ahronoth, Israel's largest-circulation daily. "Preventing their victory is absolutely imperative and non-negotiable." Eyal Zisser, dean of Middle Eastern History at Tel Aviv University, said, "The tone of voice in Jerusalem indicates that someone has decided to tear the mask from his face. Nasrallah does not want an all-out war, but he may no longer be in control of events." For Israel, the crucial strategic priority now is to hit back, but not in such a way as not to entangle itself in yet another hopeless ground invasion, let alone a spillover into Syria or Iran. Memories of the 18 miserable years the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) spent in southern Lebanon, ending in unilateral withdrawal in 2000, are still too fresh. Instead, Israel's military leaders are expected to continue hitting primarily from the air every installation the forces can find bearing Hezbollah colours. The end result of that aerial bombardment, expected to play out over the next several days, is meant to erase any trace of Hezbollah missile sites weaponry within range of Israeli towns and cities. When the dust settles, the new status quo will no longer feature Hezbollah watchtowers within sight of the Israeli border. And if the captured soldiers are still alive at that point, Israel may be persuaded to cease its fire. "Hezbollah made the mistake of thinking an untested Israeli leadership would repeat the past and back down," said Meir Javandanfar of the Middle East Analysis Company. "But what they didn't realize is that the overwhelming majority of Israel's generals are not only ready to fight, but ready to take some bruises along the way. And they are not going to leave the ring until Hezbollah has a very bloody nose." Javandanfar, an expert on Iran, put little stock in Israel's warning last night that Hezbollah was attempting to turn over to Tehran the captured Israel soldiers. "Israel is trying to raise the general international concern about how out of hand the situation is getting. But if you look at Hezbollah's history over the past 10 years, handing over the soldiers would be a devastating mistake. It would prove to the Lebanese they are charging up their credit card for someone else's interests," he said. There is yet one massive error Israel may commit as it wages war on Hezbollah in the coming days. It may repeat the errors of a similar onslaught in 1996, when Israeli warplanes were directed to attack business interests throughout Lebanon in its campaign against Hezbollah. The intent was to motivate neutral Lebanese Christians and Sunni Muslims to rise up against Hezbollah, but the reaction was opposite. "The only thing that will save Hezbollah from themselves at this point is a huge Israeli military overreaction," Javandanfar told the Star. "Israel needs to attack Hezbollah and Hezbollah alone. If it goes beyond, it runs the big risk of energizing all the Lebanese against Israel." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Well then I guess that takes care of the Ezekiel angle. Anyone have a picture of the leader of Iran in a blue turban, perchance? I have always thought the airplanes in 911 were the "great arrow" shot at the "new city" in Nostradamus' predictions... I did a Google search and couldn't find anything about Nostradamus and a great arrow. This is what I found about a new city: Five and forty steps the sky will burn Fire approaching the large new city Instantly a great thin flame will leap When someone will want to test the Normans. Sounds like a stretch. Nostradamus was a f&g. If you want to read about great predictions, look at the people who predicted that Iraq would turn into a lawless quagmire and a refuge for terrorists. Those people had the gift! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I did a Google search and couldn't find anything about Nostradamus and a great arrow. This is what I found about a new city: Five and forty steps the sky will burn Fire approaching the large new city Instantly a great thin flame will leap When someone will want to test the Normans. Sounds like a stretch. Nostradamus was a f&g. If you want to read about great predictions, look at the people who predicted that Iraq would turn into a lawless quagmire and a refuge for terrorists. Those people had the gift! I base my Nostradamus knowlege on a documentary that was made back in the early 80s starring Orson Wells. He said that in the movie. My buddy that filmed my wedding thought it would be hilarious to use up the rest of the video tape after the ceremony with a documentary on predictions of the world's end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I did a Google search and couldn't find anything about Nostradamus and a great arrow. This is what I found about a new city: Five and forty steps the sky will burn Fire approaching the large new city Instantly a great thin flame will leap When someone will want to test the Normans. Sounds like a stretch. Nostradamus was a f&g. If you want to read about great predictions, look at the people who predicted that Iraq would turn into a lawless quagmire and a refuge for terrorists. Those people had the gift! Sounds like the Great London Fire of 1666. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Sounds like the Great London Fire of 1666. Except London wasn't new. This is the quatrain usually attributed to the Great Fire: The blood of the just will be demanded of London,Burnt by the fire in the year 66 The ancient Lady will fall from her high place And many of the same sect will be killed Then again, the translation from the original bassturdized Provencal has a great deal of bearing on the implied meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Has this gone past the 'point of no return'? Does anyone think that aggressions could be scaled back at this point? If not, we are in for a hell of a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Does anyone think that aggressions could be scaled back at this point? Sure, as long as the radical Muslims do an about-face and decide that the Jews DO deserve to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Sure, as long as the radical Muslims do an about-face and decide that the Jews DO deserve to exist. So right on a level with me having a threesome with Angelina Jolie and Barbara Bush, say.... in the next fifteen minutes. I think it is safe to say that this is a real war than. And considering how the alliances fall - its going to be/is - a big, ugly one. Where does everyone honestly see this going? Its flipping scarey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 I simply don't see how Isreal can back down now without getting their prisoners back (without an exchange) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 So right on a level with me having a threesome with Angelina Jolie and Barbara Bush, say.... in the next fifteen minutes. I think it is safe to say that this is a real war than. And considering how the alliances fall - its going to be/is - a big, ugly one. Where does everyone honestly see this going? Its flipping scarey. Just a tip..Barbara enjoys the ass play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Just a tip..Barbara enjoys the ass play Good. Angelina and I are very very dirty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 So right on a level with me having a threesome with Angelina Jolie and Barbara Bush, say.... in the next fifteen minutes. I think it is safe to say that this is a real war than. And considering how the alliances fall - its going to be/is - a big, ugly one. Where does everyone honestly see this going? Its flipping scarey. I don't know about alliances - the US, Western Europe, and most if not all of Eastern Europe will either side with the Israelis or stay out. India stays neutral, unless Pakistan backs the radicals - which is unlikely, Musharraf seems to have some common sesne. IF Iran gets involved, Russia might support them, but I think that would be more sabre-rattling than actual boots on the ground. China keeps its nose clean. The problem is that Israel vs the Hezbollah could de-stabilize the situation in the Democratic Arab states as radicals try to drive the government into an anti-Western stance. That's obviously a worst-case scenario. I think most countries in the Middle East realize Israel could kick any 3 of their asses with one hand tied behind its back and will just flap their gums without doing much. But on the plus side, oil companies will make HUGE profits from the run-up in the price of oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 I don't know about alliances - the US, Western Europe, and most if not all of Eastern Europe will either side with the Israelis or stay out. India stays neutral, unless Pakistan backs the radicals - which is unlikely, Musharraf seems to have some common sesne. IF Iran gets involved, Russia might support them, but I think that would be more sabre-rattling than actual boots on the ground. China keeps its nose clean. The problem is that Israel vs the Hezbollah could de-stabilize the situation in the Democratic Arab states as radicals try to drive the government into an anti-Western stance. That's obviously a worst-case scenario. I think most countries in the Middle East realize Israel could kick any 3 of their asses with one hand tied behind its back and will just flap their gums without doing much. But on the plus side, oil companies will make HUGE profits from the run-up in the price of oil. So you think that it will remain isolated than? Lebanon and Isreal. It really seems to me that Iran and Syria are coming up an awful lot right now. And with everything that is coming out of that madman's mouth in Iran... and with the weapons and all.... I almost think that Isreal will go at this with the mentality of 'well the engines out anyway, might as well change the timing belt'. When else are they going to have a chance to take care of these 'other problems'. It seems - especially with the hezbolah (sp?) connection, that they have a perfect oppertunity to go after a nation that has been talking a lot of trash about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 So you think that it will remain isolated than? Lebanon and Isreal. It really seems to me that Iran and Syria are coming up an awful lot right now. And with everything that is coming out of that madman's mouth in Iran... and with the weapons and all.... I almost think that Isreal will go at this with the mentality of 'well the engines out anyway, might as well change the timing belt'. When else are they going to have a chance to take care of these 'other problems'. It seems - especially with the hezbolah (sp?) connection, that they have a perfect oppertunity to go after a nation that has been talking a lot of trash about them The London-based Arabic language newspaper Al-Hayat reported Saturday that “Washington has information according to which Israel gave Damascus 72 hours to stop Hizbullah’s activity along the Lebanon-Israel border and bring about the release the two kidnapped IDF soldiers or it would launch an offensive with disastrous consequences.” http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275886,00.html the timing belt has 72hrs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275886,00.html the timing belt has 72hrs..... Jeebus. I am not sure how I feel about this. War is bad.....mmm'kay.... but this is a long time in coming. If something does happen, I think that the Isrealis will do it with much greater effect than the US has shown. Edited July 15, 2006 by Duchess Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Jeebus. I am not sure how I feel about this. War is bad.....mmm'kay.... but this is a long time in coming. If something does happen, I think that the Isrealis will do it with greater effect than the US has shown. yep...israel is also saying that the contraption that hit their ship was iranian made.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 So you think that it will remain isolated than? Lebanon and Isreal. It really seems to me that Iran and Syria are coming up an awful lot right now. And with everything that is coming out of that madman's mouth in Iran... and with the weapons and all.... I almost think that Isreal will go at this with the mentality of 'well the engines out anyway, might as well change the timing belt'. When else are they going to have a chance to take care of these 'other problems'. It seems - especially with the hezbolah (sp?) connection, that they have a perfect oppertunity to go after a nation that has been talking a lot of trash about them I don't know that it will stay between Israel and Lebanon (and to be fair, the conflict appears to be more between Israel and Hezbollah than Israel and the legit gov't of Lebanon - though I don't know how long you can keep blowing sh*t up in a country before the gov't has to do SOMETHING), but I think only the true loonies in Iran and Syria will want to stuck their noses into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 yep...israel is also saying that the contraption that hit their ship was iranian made.... If everyone who got shot at by a US-made weapon attacked America, we'd be at war with ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Jeebus. I am not sure how I feel about this. War is bad.....mmm'kay.... but this is a long time in coming. If something does happen, I think that the Isrealis will do it with much greater effect than the US has shown. This is an enemy that is difficult to fight because their main tactic is to blow up innocents. The US ripped through Iraqs army pretty easily. Its the Guerrila tactics that cause the problems. Im not saying the US soldiers are considered innocents to the insurgents im talking about the suicide bombers like the ones in hamas that blow up a crowded mall with woman and children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Just a tip..Barbara enjoys the ass play really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 really? :pantstightening: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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