CaP'N GRuNGe Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 The liberals are taking back Jesus. (A few days old so sorry if already posted.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 "We are furious that the religious right has made Jesus into a Republican. That's idolatry," Campolo said. "To recreate Jesus in your own image rather than allowing yourself to be created in Jesus' image is what's wrong with politics." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Well, as someone who falls squarely in that camp, I guess, I dont want to necessarily see any political party or ideology using religion to political benefit. The Republichristians have made a mockery of modern Christianity and American politics, and it would be equally disastrous for the left or Democrats to do the same thing. That being said, some very great things have arisen from the religious left, like the civil rights movement and all different types of social justice actions. But I prefer they stay unorganized and behind the scenes with regard to politics. One political party of Christianists is too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Whoa, whoa, whoa...where does the left get off using Jeebus and his triceratops...I thought the republitards had that market cornered? Any use of religion in politics is not wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Didn't Jesus support big business and the military industrial complex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Didn't Jesus support big business and the military industrial complex? yes but that was in the early days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Kewl. Now I can dislike democrats as much as republicans for the exact same reason. Good plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardrocker Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Didn't Jesus support big business and the military industrial complex? And offshore gambling as well as oil drilling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 "Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, never said one word about civil marriage or abortion," Edgar said. Sure, let's equate homosexual marriage with the killing of a fetus. This is a truly stupid position to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Sure, let's equate homosexual marriage with the killing of a fetus. This is a truly stupid position to take. That is not equating anything with anything. It is pointing out the false ideas that you Republichristians push as supposedly "Christian." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 The liberals are taking back Jesus. (A few days old so sorry if already posted.) Liberals have an opportunity to crush Republicans in the upcoming elections, and yet they keep coming up with strategies that will almost guarantee their failure to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 That is not equating anything with anything. It is pointing out the false ideas that you Republichristians push as supposedly "Christian." It's an enormously stupid statement. Being against abortion is very much in line with christianity. Shooting people outside abortion clinics is very much in line with being looney. Abortion rights have nothing to do with christianity. Religion should never, in any way enter into the secular discussion of the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Liberals have an opportunity to crush Republicans in the upcoming elections, and yet they keep coming up with strategies that will almost guarantee their failure to do so. How do you figure that? America seems happy to be paying $3.00 a gallon for gas, while North Korea and Iran continue to develop their nuclear programs as bin laden chills with a Corona Light somewhere in Katikwhatever and Iraq continues to stagnate. What's the opportunity? The fact that we will soon need to invade places that actually have WMDs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Liberals have an opportunity to crush Republicans in the upcoming elections, and yet they keep coming up with strategies that will almost guarantee their failure to do so. as one of the "christians" skins references, i have absoutely no interest in seeing another republican in the form of george bush take over the white house in 2008. despite my strong feelings on abortion, gay marriage, etc., that pales in comparison to this unwarranted war in iraq, his black and white/america rules method of foreign policy, and his out of control spending. democrats do have a hugh opportunity to exploit this president, but republicans also have a hugh opportunity to get the party back to the ideas of fiscal conservatism and sound foreign policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 The republicans can keep their supply side Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 as one of the "christians" skins references, i have absoutely no interest in seeing another republican in the form of george bush take over the white house in 2008. despite my strong feelings on abortion, gay marriage, etc., that pales in comparison to this unwarranted war in iraq, his black and white/america rules method of foreign policy, and his out of control spending. democrats do have a hugh opportunity to exploit this president, but republicans also have a hugh opportunity to get the party back to the ideas of fiscal conservatism and sound foreign policy. That's exactly my point. I'm a Christian who is fed up with the Republican party. If the Dems/Libs were to hammer on the points that are pissing off conservatives they could clean up... but instead they try to win back Christians??? That's a recipe for failure right there. All they have to do is to keep reminding people of the fact that this administration has spent more than any other in history, and they could just sit back and watch the GOP implode. Or else another smart move would be to deliver one line that will make conservatives cringe... Bush and the Republican Senators are pro-amnesty for illegals. Nope... apparently they're not bright enough to see the obvious winning strategy here. I know, let's try to win back Christians! 100% idiotic IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Being against abortion is very much in line with christianity. You're missing the point of the statement, it's not comparing abortion to gay marriage. My personal belief against abortion doesn't necessarily mean I support laws that would outlaw them. Legislating morality is certainly in line with the Republican platform and abortion and gay marriage are two of many examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I have always said that the Christianity has alot more in common with the left than with the right. But the Democratic Party shuns them like they have the plague, or at best, ignores and belittles them. Instead of welcoming every freak show out there into their party, why cant the Dems reach out to christians? Currently, Christians and white males who arent far left limp wristed ninnies are not welcome under the Dem umbrella.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 You're missing the point of the statement, it's not comparing abortion to gay marriage. My personal belief against abortion doesn't necessarily mean I support laws that would outlaw them. Legislating morality is certainly in line with the Republican platform and abortion and gay marriage are two of many examples. personally, these issues don't sway my vote for president. i voted for clinton in 92 because i was fed up with george sr.'s similar lack of focus on fiscal matters and foreign policy that is shared by his son. i'll take how clinton managed these issues any day, even though he is a little heathen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 personally, these issues don't sway my vote for president. i voted for clinton in 92 because i was fed up with george sr.'s similar lack of focus on fiscal matters and foreign policy that is shared by his son. i'll take how clinton managed these issues any day, even though he is a little heathen. Uh, Comrade Klinton was a born again Christian! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 personally, these issues don't sway my vote for president. i voted for clinton in 92 because i was fed up with george sr.'s similar lack of focus on fiscal matters and foreign policy that is shared by his son. i'll take how clinton managed these issues any day, even though he is a little heathen. Yeah, I tend to favor competence over folksy charm when it comes to voting for president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 You're missing the point of the statement, it's not comparing abortion to gay marriage. My personal belief against abortion doesn't necessarily mean I support laws that would outlaw them. Legislating morality is certainly in line with the Republican platform and abortion and gay marriage are two of many examples. Actually, I am not missing the point of the statement. I think others might be. The person is commenting on the teachings of Jesus and how it applies (or more importantly doesn't refer to) to these three things. And I agree that Jesus teachings in no place suggest anything that would condemn homosexuality, gay marriage, civil union, or any such thing. And I disagree that his teachings in no place suggest that abortion is bad. Mt 19:16-19 "And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." He *said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Perhaps legally killing a fetus does not equate to murder, but who are any of us to say that this passage does not include the killing of a fetus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Uh, Comrade Klinton was a born again Christian! Yeah... just like Bush. It's funny how running for office can make you give your life to Christ. Religion and politics go together like oil and water. Like car salesmen and charity. Like white satin and incontinence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I thought the Republican party patented the use of Christianity in their platform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 And I disagree that his teachings in no place suggest that abortion is bad. Perhaps legally killing a fetus does not equate to murder, but who are any of us to say that this passage does not include the killing of a fetus? My guess is that the killing of a fetus was not even considered 2000 years ago. Or understood. But now that science is enabling man to understand ourselves and the world around us better than ever, we make our own interpretations of things written millenia ago. Yeah... just like Bush. It's funny how running for office can make you give your life to Christ. Religion and politics go together like oil and water. Like car salesmen and charity. Like white satin and incontinence. Or like Atomoranic and narcs...er...wait...never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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