spain Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 It is obvious that all of these arabs in the middle east are anti-semitic. They hate Jews with a passion and will never let them live in peace in Israel. Their hatred has existed for thousands of years and will continue for thousands more. And as an ally of Israel, to our own detriment I might add, we will never know peace as long as a Jewish state exists in Israel either. To solve this problem, I want to throw out a radical proposal for discussion. 1. Lets allow all of the Jews in Israel who want to come to the USA, to emigrate here. Those who wish to remain in Israel can do so, but they need to realize that they are on their own from here on out. 2. Lets allow all of these racist groups like Nation of Islam, etc., who are demanding some sort of reparations or a seperate homeland, to immigrate over to Israel. We will give it to them, lock, stock, and barrel. We need to let them know that they are on their own as we will not support them at all. 3. Lets cut all ties with the state of Israel. We do not benefit at all from this relationship and only continue it because of the Jewish lobbies influence over our politicians. To continue our relationship with these guys is absurd. I know it is not p.c. to talk about such things, but lets get real. Why are we allied with them? How do WE benefit? The fact is we need to cut diplomatic relations with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Uhhhh. I'm not gonna get into the issue that they consider that land sacred. But, just in terms in acreage, what are we gonna do? Are you recommending that we cede Tennessee to Israel? Where are you gonna put your double-wide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Uhhhh. I'm not gonna get into the issue that they consider that land sacred. But, just in terms in acreage, what are we gonna do? Are you recommending that we cede Tennessee to Israel? Where are you gonna put your double-wide? Screw that. We'll take Mexico out and give it to the Israelis...at least they'll do something with that land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke'em ttg Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 bring all our troops home.....lockdown our borders.......and level the mideast..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 We do not benefit at all from this relationship and only continue it because of the Jewish lobbies influence over our politicians. To continue our relationship with these guys is absurd. I know it is not p.c. to talk about such things, but lets get real. Why are we allied with them? How do WE benefit? The fact is we need to cut diplomatic relations with them. Israel is a liability to the United States. Our support of Israel is a huge driving force behind anti-US sentiment in the Muslim world. We give them a sh*tload of aid. (I think that it is the largest recipient of US foreign aid.) The Israelis spy and committ espionage upon us. I'm not sure how the US benefits from the relationship. In any event, it seems pretty clear that the liabilities outweigh any benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Spain, dumb. Give the Isrealis all the military firepower they want, let them loose. They will solve all our problems for us... then when China gets involved, say your prayers, cause Jesus is a'comin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Israel is a liability to the United States. Our support of Israel is a huge driving force behind anti-US sentiment in the Muslim world. We give them a sh*tload of aid. (I think that it is the largest recipient of US foreign aid.) The Israelis spy and committ espionage upon us. I'm not sure how the US benefits from the relationship. In any event, it seems pretty clear that the liabilities outweigh any benefits. Okay it's official. Spain and Furd agree on a political issue, so there must be some merit to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Id just turn that side of the world into Glass, and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 israel is like the us' pitbull....and like some pitbulls, they can turn on their owners(our ship, spying, espionage). but like h8 said, give them what they need and let them off the leash!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 I'm not gonna get into the issue that they consider that land sacred. And the problem with getting this passed in the US is that American fundies also consider that land as sacred for the Jews--and in fact, they are doing the best they can to get all of the Jews in the world to go live in Israel so that Jesus can come back (at which time, Jesus will apparently destroy all of the Jews who still don't believe in him--so that is sort of an interesting dynamic). http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040714-101159-1741r.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 I'm not sure how the US benefits from the relationship. see my above link about the fundies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 another link similar to the one above: http://christianactionforisrael.org/judeochr/uneasy.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 This is an unusually good thread with no limit to its potential for a Saturday. Thanks Spain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 And the problem with getting this passed in the US is that American fundies also consider that land as sacred for the Jews--and in fact, they are doing the best they can to get all of the Jews in the world to go live in Israel so that Jesus can come back (at which time, Jesus will apparently destroy all of the Jews who still don't believe in him--so that is sort of an interesting dynamic). http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040714-101159-1741r.htm The fundies arent controlling US policy in regard to Israel. And to even suggest that is absurd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 You think the Islamic militants will be placated even if the Jews move out of Israel and we let them have that land? Fat chance. The damage is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 The fundies arent controlling US policy in regard to Israel. And to even suggest that is absurd... what I meant by those links is that there is more to our support of Israel than meets the eye There would be a huge outcry from the religious right if the US abandoned its position of supporting Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 You want to dishonor our troops by giving in to the terrorists? This has to be a scam. I don't think Spain actually believes that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Their hatred has existed for thousands of years and will continue for thousands more. Without joining the fray (yet), I'm not sure the above is strictly true. It seems to me that the rabid anti-Semitism displayed by many Arabs is a direct result of the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, with it's attendant displacement of thousands of Arabs who had lived there for millenia. I think there are many examples of Jews prospering in Muslim countries over the centuries, being allowed complete freedom of worship and so on. Right now, today, there is a Jewish member of parliament in Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 Without joining the fray (yet), I'm not sure the above is strictly true. It seems to me that the rabid anti-Semitism displayed by many Arabs is a direct result of the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, with it's attendant displacement of thousands of Arabs who had lived there for millenia. I think there are many examples of Jews prospering in Muslim countries over the centuries, being allowed complete freedom of worship and so on. Right now, today, there is a Jewish member of parliament in Iran. I think there are many examples of Arabs murdering Jews and their supporters right now, today. So, if your point is that rabid anti-semitism doesnt exist, or has only existed since 1948, then I would totally dispute that. i do believe giving arabs back Israel, would go a long long way to helping US relations with arab countries though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) No matter what ever happens to Israel we will always be on the Arab Tit. The tit of oil..Not to mention the morale boost of the arab nations this would cause. Edited July 15, 2006 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 So, if your point is that rabid anti-semitism doesnt exist, or has only existed since 1948, then I would totally dispute that. I can't believe even you could infer that from what I said. The point was that anti-Semitism amongst Arabs has greatly sharpened since 1948, not that it's something new, and clearly the dispossession of the land now called Israel was the catalyst for that. Anti-semitism hardly new amongst so-called Christian nations either, you might recall, though the Christians are so much better at it. How much more efficient is an Auschwitz over a suicide jockey on a bus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Can someone dumb down and give the whomper (political knowledge of a gnat) version of what happened in 1948 ? I know there was a 6 day war but do the arabs have a legit gripe when they say Irael occupies their land ? Edited July 15, 2006 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Can someone dumb down and give the whomper (political knowledge of a gnat) version of what happened in 1948 ? I know there was a 6 day war but do the arabs have a legit gripe when they say Irael occupies their land ? Israel was created in 1948. 6 day war was in 1967. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Can someone dumb down and give the whomper (political knowledge of a gnat) version of what happened in 1948 ? I know there was a 6 day war but do the arabs have a legit gripe when they say Irael occupies their land ? Israel was created from the British mandate in Palestine in 1948 and there was an immediate war between the new country and it's neighbors, won by Israel - this was not the 6 day war, which was in 1967 and was again most decisively won by Israel. The lands they occupied as a result of this winning campaign are still under occupation now - Gaza (recently handed over to the Palestinians and now again under Israeli occupation), the West Bank of the Jordan (parts have been handed back), the Golan Heights (captured from Syria and retained by the Israelis due to their great strategic value) and Sinai, since returned to Egypt after a full peace treaty. Wikipedia - the answer for pretty much everything Edited July 15, 2006 by Ursa Majoris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Here's a synopsis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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