whomper Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Israel was created from the British mandate in Palestine in 1948 and there was an immediate war between the new country and it's neighbors, won by Israel - this was not the 6 day war, which was in 1967 and was again most decisively won by Israel. The lands they occupied as a result of this winning campaign are still under occup ation now - Gaza (recently handed over to the Palestinians and now again under Israeli occupation), the West Bank of the Jordan (parts have been handed back), the Golan Heights (captured from Syria and retained by the Israelis due to their great strategic value) and Sinai, since returned to Egypt after a full peace treaty. Wikipedia - the answer for pretty much everything Here's a synopsis. Thank you Edited July 15, 2006 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 Basically, I bunch of rich Jews paid off politicians in the US and Europe to steal the land of the people who were living in the area now known as Israel. We basically just punked out the arabs living there and gave it to the Jews who have been there ever since. The entire Arab world has been pissed off at us ever since. That is why my theory makes so much sense. Lets give the Arabs the land back that the Jews stole. We give the Jews a homeland in Miami Beach. Its a win-win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 I can't believe even you could infer that from what I said. The point was that anti-Semitism amongst Arabs has greatly sharpened since 1948, not that it's something new, and clearly the dispossession of the land now called Israel was the catalyst for that. Anti-semitism hardly new amongst so-called Christian nations either, you might recall, though the Christians are so much better at it. How much more efficient is an Auschwitz over a suicide jockey on a bus? So, what is wrong with giving those ***'s the land back that the Jews stole from them? That would certainly ease some of the tensions between us and the Arabs around the globe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 It is obvious that all of these arabs in the middle east are anti-semitic. They hate Jews with a passion and will never let them live in peace in Israel. Their hatred has existed for thousands of years and will continue for thousands more. And as an ally of Israel, to our own detriment I might add, we will never know peace as long as a Jewish state exists in Israel either. To solve this problem, I want to throw out a radical proposal for discussion. 1. Lets allow all of the Jews in Israel who want to come to the USA, to emigrate here. Those who wish to remain in Israel can do so, but they need to realize that they are on their own from here on out. 2. Lets allow all of these racist groups like Nation of Islam, etc., who are demanding some sort of reparations or a seperate homeland, to immigrate over to Israel. We will give it to them, lock, stock, and barrel. We need to let them know that they are on their own as we will not support them at all. 3. Lets cut all ties with the state of Israel. We do not benefit at all from this relationship and only continue it because of the Jewish lobbies influence over our politicians. To continue our relationship with these guys is absurd. I know it is not p.c. to talk about such things, but lets get real. Why are we allied with them? How do WE benefit? The fact is we need to cut diplomatic relations with them. Well the problem is we support Israel simply because they are a democracy that is in the middle of the terrorist belt of the world. We will never turn our backs on that country because of that fact. Well at least until Iraq becomes one itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 So, what is wrong with giving those ***'s the land back that the Jews stole from them? That would certainly ease some of the tensions between us and the Arabs around the globe. Sure it would, but is it going to happen? BTW, the establishment of Israel was as a result of the 1947 UN Partition Plan. Prior to that, both Jews and Arabs lived in Palestine under the British mandate. It was the British declaration of intent to withdraw that precipitated the need for this plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 no history of the israel/palestinian debate should omit the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel. The Hussein-McMahon Correspondence and the Balfour Declaration are also of vital importance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Lets give the Arabs the land back that the Jews stole. We give the Jews a homeland in Miami Beach. Its a win-win situation. Since no one else is playing devil's advocate here... 1)We'd be indian givers. 2)Don't the Jews already own Miami Beach? 3)The Arabs would still hate us and anything that resembles the "West". Seems sort of like a cut & run attitude to quit backing up Israel. Maybe it is good that Israel is shaking things up over there. They have their foot already in the door of Syria, and we all know how much Halliburton the nation wants to go there next. Either Syria or Iran at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 3)The Arabs would still hate us and anything that resembles the "West". How can so many people say this with such certainty? The #1 reason that Arabs dislike the US is our support of Israel. Seems to me that things change quite a bit if the US withdraws its unwavering support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 How can so many people say this with such certainty? The #1 reason that Arabs dislike the US is our support of Israel. Seems to me that things change quite a bit if the US withdraws its unwavering support. Then we'd have the Israelis hating us. By the way I am not saying anything with certainty on this topic. I see the whole middle east situation as one giant cluster f8ck with a million problems and no good way to solve them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Better yet, let's drop a nuke on Jeruselum and be done with it. Stupid religous turds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 I see the whole middle east situation as one giant cluster f8ck with a million problems and no good way to solve them. I agree! Thats why I want to see the USA no longer supporting Israel. It only makes sense for our long term national interest to become completely seperated from that entire situation. Its not our business and we dont benefit in anyway whatsoever by out continued unmittigated support of Israel. Lets cut that albatross around our necks loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Even if we withdrew support for Israel we would still be "kafir" to the Muslims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 How can so many people say this with such certainty? The #1 reason that Arabs dislike the US is our support of Israel. Seems to me that things change quite a bit if the US withdraws its unwavering support. I think radical Islam has such a strong foothold that cutting and running on Israel would: - have a negligible effect on the Muslim fundies' worldview - their leaders have too much invested in demonizing the West, with or without Israel, primarily the fickle finger of blame pointing at the Westerners absolves Arab leaders of what are THEIR failures to bring the bulk of the Middle East into something approaching the mid-to-late 20th century, much less the 21st - give them some terrific propaganda - "our fatwa has driven the Great Satan to run and hide behind the ocean! Allah will make us victorious! Ululululululululululu!" (I am paraphrasing here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 I agree! Thats why I want to see the USA no longer supporting Israel. It only makes sense for our long term national interest to become completely seperated from that entire situation. Its not our business and we dont benefit in anyway whatsoever by out continued unmittigated support of Israel. Lets cut that albatross around our necks loose. At the same time it is our business now. We made it our business when we created Israel and now we have a history over there. I don't see Bin Laden praising the US for pulling support of Israel. At this point it could be considered a safe bet that we made some life-long enemies, no matter what we do. Is it even possible to remove ourselves from that situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 At the same time it is our business now. We made it our business when we created Israel and now we have a history over there. I don't see Bin Laden praising the US for pulling support of Israel. At this point it could be considered a safe bet that we made some life-long enemies, no matter what we do. Is it even possible to remove ourselves from that situation? We didnt create Israel. They werent our colony. Truman simply recognized the state of Israel after the British established a Jewish state. Now, we have do have history there since we have given them billions every year, more than all the other aid we give to other countries COMBINED. But it is no longer in our interests to stay. We need to get out now and begin to attempt to rehabiliatate our relations with Arab countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Spain is a cutter and runner. He is afraid of Muhamad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 We need to get out now and begin to attempt to rehabiliatate our relations with Arab countries. Hey, the US gets along fine with plenty of Arabian and/or Muslim countries - Pakistan, Qatar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 Hey, the US gets along fine with plenty of Arabian and/or Muslim countries - Pakistan, Qatar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey... And there are plenty that we dont get along with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 And there are plenty that we dont get along with. Kinda like Latin America or Western Europe or the former Soviet Union or the Pacific Rim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 And there are plenty that we dont get along with. Are they worth ditching support for Israel? If we start new relations with them then what will stop Israel from becoming pissed at us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethin Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) The issue is so much more deeper than what it appears on face value. IMHO. Are you aware of the Federal Reserve Bank? . Check the Board of Directors. When the Gov talks about the deficit, it is talking about the amount owned to the Federal Reserve Bank. Yes, it's true; furthermore, the FRB is basically controlled by 20 families. In other words, the country is controlled by 20 very powerful families. When it all comes down to it it's all about business. We have assisted the Middle East in wars among themselves, etc. etc. My question is: Where is the good ol' CIA and the taking care of our enemies in a subtle way? Edited July 15, 2006 by joethin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 The issue is so much more deeper than what it appears on face value. IMHO. Are you aware of the Federal Reserve Bank? . Check the Board of Directors. When the Gov talks about the deficit, it is talking about the amount owned to the Federal Reserve Bank. Yes, it's true; furthermore, the FRB is basically controlled by 20 families. In other words, the country is controlled by 20 very powerful families. When it all comes down to it it's all about business. We have assisted the Middle East in wars among themselves, etc. etc. My question is: Where is the good ol' CIA and the taking care of our enemies in a subtle way? If only a hero...some sort of moon knight...were here to save us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethin Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 If only a hero...some sort of moon knight...were here to save us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The issue is so much more deeper than what it appears on face value. IMHO. Are you aware of the Federal Reserve Bank? . Check the Board of Directors. When the Gov talks about the deficit, it is talking about the amount owned to the Federal Reserve Bank. Yes, it's true; furthermore, the FRB is basically controlled by 20 families. In other words, the country is controlled by 20 very powerful families. bad info here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbimm Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I am so torn on this. I think Spain is on to something here but I believe cutting Israel out would only ease tensions for a short period of time. The Muslim extremests hate everything we stand for and would find other reasons to pull another 9/11 on us. The problem isnt Muslims, it's extremests. That being said we need Israel as a way into there world. Israel is valuable strategically as we can drop our troops and planes down there if nowhere else in the middle east! I know that Israel has given us some static about this in the past but if it came down to it they would have no choice but to allow our military access to the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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