evil_gop_liars Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Hybrid vehicles' overall energy costs exceed those of comparable non-hybrids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I find it hard to believe that the average Hummer lasts 300,000 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Hybrid vehicles' overall energy costs exceed those of comparable non-hybrids This whole article is based on research by Art Spinella of CNW Marketing Research. I was curious who would conduct a study like this, so I found CNW's webpage. Art appears to be the only employee. The website includes pictures of the boat he's refurbishing. Classy. His FAQ is possible the most unprofessional thing I've ever seen. - We don't take calls unless we know who you are. - We don't let anyone visit our facility. - We don't care how you pay us as long we we get paid. - We don't do business with anyone in Alabama, and you'll have to get me drunk to find out why. Seriously... those are all on his FAQ. Grain of salt? Taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I'd like to see the actual methodology behind the scenes here, but in any case, I will not be buying a Hummer anytime in the near future as their recent television ads have indicated that the average Hummer driver is a soccer mom with a self-esteem problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 looks like you have to own a hybrid for 5ys or more to realize any savings..... • In our analysis, only two of the six hybrids we have tested recovered their price premium in the first five years and 75,000 miles of ownership (see Hybrids vs. all gas). The Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid provide a savings of about $400 and $300, respectively, over that period. But that is only if buyers are able to take advantage of limited federal tax credits. Extra ownership costs over five years for the other four models ranged from about $1,900 to $5,500, compared with those of similar all-gas models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ill Nuts Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I believe everything I read on the intraweb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I'd like to see the actual methodology behind the scenes here, but in any case, I will not be buying a Hummer anytime in the near future as their recent television ads have indicated that the average Hummer driver is a soccer mom with a self-esteem problem. I saw that commercial and wondered what the hell message they were trying to send. I thought that their image as a vehicle for people compensating for their shortcomings was something they would try to run away from... not promote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I saw that commercial and wondered what the hell message they were trying to send. I thought that their image as a vehicle for people compensating for their shortcomings was something they would try to run away from... not promote. vette promotes it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 looks like you have to own a hybrid for 5ys or more to realize any savings..... Its not about the saving money. The attraction I have to hybrids are the reduced carbon emmissions. While I think this study is skewed, thinking about things like this is a step in the right direction. We need to consider the entire life of a product as a whole before we pat ourselves on the back for "saving da earf". Awareness is what is missing, not empathy, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 it seems like there's something to that, considering ALL of the energy costs associated with manufacturing something and marketing it, etc. and taking that into consideration, it's not hard to imagine that a snazzy little hybrid will have pretty high overall energy costs. BUT...i think you also have to consider (as ford, toyota, etc. have) that these intense short-term R&D costs and extra manufacturing costs may not pay off right away, but they will down the road. this is most certainly true both in terms of corporate profits, AND reduced manufacturing and energy costs. obviously this spinella dude is not taking that into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 The embarrassment cost of driving around in a piece 'o crap Hybrid - Priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 somewhat of a tangent....how f'n returded are those VW "low ego emissions" commercials? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 somewhat of a tangent....how f'n returded are those VW "low ego emissions" commercials? Yep, they needed to stick with the unpimp da auto ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I'd like to see the actual methodology behind the scenes here, but in any case, I will not be buying a Hummer anytime in the near future as their recent television ads have indicated that the average Hummer driver is a soccer mom with a self-esteem problem. No kidding. What the heck is up with that commercial? It would be cool if she uses the Hummer to plow over the other mom's minivan or hit the slide full throttle while the kid is at the top. Now that would be something. Revenge is so much better than self esteem issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 The embarrassment cost of driving a camaro, Marb light dangling out of the mouth, and cranking Van Halen - Priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKF Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I haven't paid for a hummer in 25 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codwagon Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I haven't paid for a hummer in 25 years. but trust me, there are still some costs involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 You forgot mullet. You can never forget Da mullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 looks like you have to own a hybrid for 5ys or more to realize any savings..... The prices will come down. Some are buying them and converting them to "plug in" where they get amazing mil eage. Plug in hybrids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 General Motors Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said in an interview this week that GM doubts the benefits of hybrids, but must build them to improve its public image. "Hybrids are technologically of doubtful benefit, and expensive, but necessary from a political and public relations point of view," Lutz told Just-Auto. "Toyota has said, economically, hybrids make no sense. The reduction in fuel [consumption] does not pay for the technological content and cost of the vehicle so therefore economically it remains fairly nonsensical, so that's the left-brain analytical argument." http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lut...for-good-press/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Uh....too bad for GM then, if I can get a vehicle with good gas mileage at a $$ lost from GM, I may likely be coming out ahead. They are the ones that decided it somehow fits (or not) into their economic model, they have the choice to manufacture them....so, what is the problem? What does GM have to gain in the hybrid market? This is a serious question because they got their collective asses reemed by Honda and Toyota in recent hisotry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 (edited) "Toyota has said, economically, hybrids make no sense. The reduction in fuel [consumption] does not pay for the technological content and cost of the vehicle so therefore economically it remains fairly nonsensical, so that's the left-brain analytical argument." Toyota denies plan for rival deal with GM Interesting, what kind of smoke could be blown up peoples asses and for what reason? Speculation that Toyota might make its own offer to GM comes as Toyota appears on the verge of overtaking General Motors as the world's largest carmaker. On Thursday, Toyota said that it expected its group companies, which include Daihatsu, to meet a target of selling 8.85 million vehicles this year, a 9 percent jump from last year. GM sold 9.17 million vehicles last year, and its sales have been slumping this year. Watanabe said that he foresaw no changes in Toyota's existing ties with GM, which include a joint auto plant in California and joint research on environmentally friendly engines. "We view GM as a great company, from which we still have a lot to learn," he said. "We want to keep our relationship going." Edited July 22, 2006 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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