matt770 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Wish I could say I was surprised by this. I agree it's a shame he has an addiction and I feel bad for the guy but at some point you have to take personal responsibility and pull yourself together. Not saying it is easy but plenty of people have done it successfully. This man has NFL caliber talent and was given another chance after screwing up several times in the past, now he blows it again. What a waste. These stories always boggle my mind. I still can't believe Odell Thurman is suspended. He looked like a future pro bowler last year. The careers and potential achievements these guys piss away because of some substances...just sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 So many times we see athletes being given 2nd, 3rd, 4th...8th chances. How many did Steve Howe get? He's a pro athlete and the lifestyle he leads, in season and off season, is far and away so much different than that of the normal person. I do not know a whole lot about alcoholism bit it seems to me that if anyone (the courts, the team, HIMSELF) wants to help, he needs to be forced to stay away from football for a couple if years to really clean himself up. Only then should he attempt to come back. I am not saying that he will be able to stay clean for life because once he comes back, there are would be awful lot of temptation around him. Because he is an athlete, he'll probably be given the benefit of the doubt and will probably play this season (somewhere), but that only serves to make the situation worse. I feel for the guy because I do know it is an illness. I don't think so. He's subject to a 1 year suspension. He and Ricky may be teammates soon. The real problem isn't football, it's staying away from people and situations where alcohol and drugs are used. It's hard to give up on your friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borge007 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I don't think so. He's subject to a 1 year suspension. He and Ricky may be teammates soon. The real problem isn't football, it's staying away from people and situations where alcohol and drugs are used. It's hard to give up on your friends. Friends don't let friends drive drunk! Vikings "talent" is going downhill fast. Bring back Rammy Moss!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I don't think so. He's subject to a 1 year suspension. He and Ricky may be teammates soon. The real problem isn't football, it's staying away from people and situations where alcohol and drugs are used. It's hard to give up on your friends. Definitely didin't mean to imply it is solely football that's causing the problem. You are right. It could be his "friends" that make it worse...but think about this: if he were out of football, how many of those "friends" would still be around? My guess is that the ones who are a bad influence would not be there. He may still have these problems because ultimately, he has to be responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Wow, KRob had become such a good liar, all of us were buying his sobriety and straight path he was on. Sad, locally here in Seattle- similar situatuion with Jerramy Stevens, DUI's, says he is clean, doesn't go out drinking anymore, all BS. I have friends that see him out with his double crown & cokes all the time....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Here's an idea, CALL A CAB. It's not like you can't afford it. Instead you get behind the wheel, endangering everyone on the road, and bring more humiliation to a team that's had more than its fair share? Enough already. This guy is a selfish pr!ck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I think this is tragically sad and just underscores the fact that it doesn't matter how much talent or money you have if there are demons you just cannot escape. I honestly thing they guy has top 10 talent in the right situation but he could never deliver on the promise because of the bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggamer3 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I hear the Bengals are very interested in him now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I hear the Bengals are very interested in him now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) Definitely didin't mean to imply it is solely football that's causing the problem. You are right. It could be his "friends" that make it worse...but think about this: if he were out of football, how many of those "friends" would still be around? My guess is that the ones who are a bad influence would not be there. He may still have these problems because ultimately, he has to be responsible. Good point, but if he was he'd still have money and even more time to spend it. If it happened before he got paid they'd probably be gone. Also he knows all these things because AA warns him constantly about changing the way he lives. Friends don't let friends drive drunk! Vikings "talent" is going downhill fast. Bring back Rammy Moss!! No, not real friends. I should have done it thusly "freinds". Real ones would try and stop him from drinking too. Edited August 16, 2006 by Randall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Man, I'm bummed. I was really hoping he had his problems licked and was going to do some good stuff with his life after a tough lesson learned in SEA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 wow. i feel bad for the guy, obviously he has major demons. but geez, what a f'n tool. with the previous suspended sentence, this guy is toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelBunz Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Here's an idea, CALL A CAB. It's not like you can't afford it. Instead you get behind the wheel, endangering everyone on the road.... I NEVER understand this either. Hire a driver....call a cab....call a friend. I really feel for the guy. Looking a little below the surface here, sounds like he was initially speeding to get back before curfew. Whether or not he actually was impaired....or just a bad driver who made a bad decision to beat it home is still up for debate. Just saying...."under SUSPICION of DUI" is not necessarily driving drunk. Trying not to jump to the worst conclusion, but it could just be reckless operation. I think this is tragically sad and just underscores the fact that it doesn't matter how much talent or money you have if there are demons you just cannot escape. I honestly think the guy has top 10 talent in the right situation but he could never deliver on the promise because of the bottle. Gotta agree, DMD. He looked good Monday night....nice piece by Suzy....sounded like he was really working hard on banishing the demons and turning his life around. This is truly sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKF Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I can't understand why society is so hung up on DWIs in the first place. People (and the government) need to quit trying to micro-manage other people's lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I can't understand why society is so hung up on DWIs in the first place. People (and the government) need to quit trying to micro-manage other people's lives. Driving 100 mph while drunk and evading police is probably a different animal than getting nabbed for 0.08 after dinner at the Outback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKF Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) Driving 100 mph while drunk and evading police is probably a different animal than getting nabbed for 0.08 after dinner at the Outback. And he wouldn't have been doing that if the fascist government enforcers hadn't been trying to oppress him. Edited August 16, 2006 by DKF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Egret Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Wow. It seemed like he was trying to get himself back together. Quitting an addiction is tough stuff. Being in the public eye doesn't make it any easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I wonder if the Vikes now become players for Lelie or Porter...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I can't understand why society is so hung up on DWIs in the first place. People (and the government) need to quit trying to micro-manage other people's lives. Maybe if someone you loved was slaughtered in a brutally violent collision on the highway by some drunken idiot, you'd understand the harsh penalties. Ever seen what happens to someone in some of these high speed collisions? The ones who die instantly are the lucky ones. Ironically the drunks usually sustain fewer injuries. The alcohol relaxes the body, making it more flexible and resilient in a crash. An alert person tenses up, causing more trauma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKF Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Maybe if someone you loved was slaughtered in a brutally violent collision on the highway by some drunken idiot, you'd understand the harsh penalties. Ever seen what happens to someone in some of these high speed collisions? The ones who die instantly are the lucky ones. Ironically the drunks usually sustain fewer injuries. The alcohol relaxes the body, making it more flexible and resilient in a crash. An alert person tenses up, causing more trauma. I understand the potential for death and carnage quite well. As much as a think a person who gets into an accident from drinking and causes injury, should be incarcerated for many years, it does not overule my conviction that having the 'potential' to cause injury should be a crime. Many accidents and deaths are also caused by people changing the stations on their car radios or adjusting their air conditioning. Until it is a crime to have those 'potentially' injury causing devices found in a car, I cannot see the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I wonder if the Vikes now become players for Lelie or Porter...? Both those names have surfaced on the KFAN rumor mill already today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I understand the potential for death and carnage quite well. As much as a think a person who gets into an accident from drinking and causes injury, should be incarcerated for many years, it does not overule my conviction that having the 'potential' to cause injury should be a crime. Many accidents and deaths are also caused by people changing the stations on their car radios or adjusting their air conditioning. Until it is a crime to have those 'potentially' injury causing devices found in a car, I cannot see the difference. Just found this online from the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control: During 2004, 16,694 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths. So alcohol was responsible for over a third of all traffic fatalities. It is already a crime in many states to talk on a cell phone while driving, because that has been shown to cause accidents also. I don't know how many people die because they were changing the radio station or A/C. My guess is the percentage compared to alcohol is extremely low. But at any rate, to say that if we can't outlaw every potential activity that might cause a fatality, we should not outlaw any of them, is one of the most ignorant arguments I've ever heard. I thought you were being sarcastic with your earlier comments, this one seems serious. Are you just a complete idiot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genetic Jackhammer Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 All the potential in the world. Way to mess up your career. I'll be taking him off of my potential sleepers list this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I can't understand why society is so hung up on DWIs in the first place. People (and the government) need to quit trying to micro-manage other people's lives. But just in case you're serious, be glad the US is not like Romania. Over there if you're convicted of a DUI, it's the firing squad. Needless to say, there's not much of a drinking & driving problem in that country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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