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MORE ON MOSS-TO-JAX RUMORS

 

We're continuing to hear that the Jacksonville Jaguars, due in large part to the lobbying of assistant head coach Mike "Meathead" Tice, are looking at the possibility of swinging a trade for disgruntled Raiders receiver Randy Moss.

 

Still, there are plenty of planets that would need to line up before the guy who admitted last year to smoking pot "once in a blue moon" is playing in Florida.

 

The biggest questions, in our view, are whether the Raiders would move Moss -- and what the Raiders would want in return.

 

Although Al Davis has been known to keep an unhappy guy around despite the impact on the team, there's a strong financial benefit to trading Moss. Based on the new CBA rules regarding the salary cap ramifications of trades made after June 1, there would be no additional acceleration in 2006. (We must have been smoking some of Randy's stash the other day when we suggested there would be a cap hit.) And the Raiders would avoid the potential necessity of cutting Moss in the offseason due to his eight-figure cap number for 2007.

 

Per numbers that have been obtained by Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune (and which we separately have confirmed, not because we don't trust Jerry but because it makes us look like we know what we're doing), the Raiders would take a $4 .04 million cap charge in 2007. The $2.02 million bonus allocation already on the books for Moss this season would be unchanged.

 

If, in contrast, the Raiders keep Moss, they're facing cap numbers of $11.77 million in 2007, and $13.27 million in 2007.

 

So it might make sense to get something for him now, because the only alternative for the franchise might be to dump his salary after the season. Whether the Raiders will be forced to deal with Randy's cap number after the season depends in large part on the rest of the cap room that they have.

 

Any team that takes Moss would have to absorb his prorated salary, which currently is at roughly $6 million. A league source tells us that the Jaguars have $10 million in cap space, so they could do it if they choose to do so.

 

As to the compensation that the Raiders would want, we're thinking it would take at least a first-round pick. If, after all Deion Branch is worth a one, so is Moss. (Hell, under that standard Moss might be worth two of them.)

 

Our gut feeling is that the Raiders would take a one and a three, if they decide to try to move him.

 

And if anything is going to happen, it needs to happen soon. The trading deadline is October 17.

 

We've been asked by several readers whether other teams might be in the mix. We've heard nothing specific, but that never stops us from speculating.

 

The Dolphins are a possibility, given the mutual roots of coach Nick Saban and Moss. Saban surely believes he knows how to coax the best performance out of him, and Moss might be less likely to make those stray comments that reflect dissatisfaction if the captain of the ship is a fellow West Virginian. Besides, Saban could use a little excitement to fill the seats, and to distract the fans from the reality that sky-high preseason predictions have been to date unrealized.

 

Plus, the move would reunite Moss with quarterback Daunte Culpepper. Though there was a little weirdness between them when Moss was moved out of Minnesota, we're thinking that both might be realizing that they need each other in order to be successful.

 

The Jets are an intriguing candidate, since it would bring Moss back together with quarterback Chad Pennington, with whom Moss played at Marshall. But Laveranues Coles is back to his old form and Jerrico Cotchery is emerging as a legitimate threat; the Jets simply don't need him.

 

The Chiefs are a team that in theory might be interested in adding a guy who once was (and still might be) a game-changer, but there's no way the Raiders would trade him to an arch-rival. (And trading Moss now might be more attractive to the Raiders based simply on the fact that, if the Raiders are eventually forced to cut him, he could make a beeline for K.C.)

 

The Eagles still have needs at the position, but there's no way they take another chance with a pass-catching diva.

 

The Bears could use him, but they're gonna go deep into January with or without him.

 

Rams coach Scott Linehan could be interested in the guy who played for him when Linehan was the offensive coordinator in Minnesota, but it would be very hard from a P.R. standpoint to suddenly supplant Isaac Bruce. Moss, as we see it, would be more likely to land with the Rams after 2006, if he's released by the Raiders.

 

The one team that readers have asked about the most is the Patriots. Though Moss doesn't fit with the team's whole no-turd approach, neither did Corey Dillon. And, in our view, it was the presence of guys like Dillon in 2004 and Rodney Harrison in 2003 -- seasoned veterans desperate for a ring -- that helped the Pats avoid complacency and win the Lombardi in both seasons. Warts and all, Moss is fiercely competitive, and we've got a feeling that, between coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady, he could be controlled.

 

It's still a long shot, we think. Heck, any trade is a remote possibility. Too much has to happen, and it has to happen in 10 days or less.

 

But with no one getting arrested in the last 24 hours, we had to talk about something.

 

 

So if this does happen (which I highly doubt). Do you trade for Moss?

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Nah forget Moss -- Pats are fine bringing in re-treads like Charles Rogers, Kevin Johnson and Jabar Gafney. :D

 

Cincy blowout or no Cincy blowout, I think our thin talent at WR will bite us in the ass down the stretch as teams finally decide to stop Dillon/Maroney. Jackson looks like he could be the real deal, but he can't stay healthy. Gabriel has wheels, but is inconsistent. Count me among the minority here in Pats Nation, but I'd love to see the fear in other defenses' eyes if Moss ever walked out of the tunnel wearing a Pats uniform alongside Brady, Dillon/Maroney, Watson et al.

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The Raiders are such an amazing mess... I don't see what they would hope to gain by trading away Moss at this point.

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Nah forget Moss -- Pats are fine bringing in re-treads like Charles Rogers, Kevin Johnson and Jabar Gafney. :D

 

Cincy blowout or no Cincy blowout, I think our thin talent at WR will bite us in the ass down the stretch as teams finally decide to stop Dillon/Maroney. Jackson looks like he could be the real deal, but he can't stay healthy. Gabriel has wheels, but is inconsistent. Count me among the minority here in Pats Nation, but I'd love to see the fear in other defenses' eyes if Moss ever walked out of the tunnel wearing a Pats uniform alongside Brady, Dillon/Maroney, Watson et al.

 

 

I'm with you msaint, I'd have no problem seeing Moss in a Pats uni!!!

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The Raiders are such an amazing mess... I don't see what they would hope to gain by trading away Moss at this point.

 

 

A slew of early-round draft picks and potential cash/cap relief?

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A slew of early-round draft picks and potential cash/cap relief?

 

 

Not to mention, getting rid of someone who clearly doesn't want to be there. I think the Raiders are idiots if they don't trade him. what do they have to gain by keeping him around at this point?

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Moss threw Tice under the bus in Minnesota. When someone asked Moss if Tice was the right coach for the team, Moss didn't say that he was.

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Nah forget Moss -- Pats are fine bringing in re-treads like Charles Rogers, Kevin Johnson and Jabar Gafney. :D

 

Cincy blowout or no Cincy blowout, I think our thin talent at WR will bite us in the ass down the stretch as teams finally decide to stop Dillon/Maroney. Jackson looks like he could be the real deal, but he can't stay healthy. Gabriel has wheels, but is inconsistent. Count me among the minority here in Pats Nation, but I'd love to see the fear in other defenses' eyes if Moss ever walked out of the tunnel wearing a Pats uniform alongside Brady, Dillon/Maroney, Watson et al.

 

 

 

In the "Disgruntled Raider Receiver Department" I see Porter going to NE before Moss, or at least I'd thiunk Belichick would have Porter over Moss if he decided to deal with that crap.

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I'm with you msaint, I'd have no problem seeing Moss in a Pats uni!!!

 

 

Umm yeah... consider this Pats fan in the "I'd be OK with Randy Moss coming to the New England" camp.

 

I'm just not sure the bud around here would be strong enough for Randy... :D

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I never thought I would say this as a Jags homer and staunch critic of their offense, but the passing game is actually starting to develop some chemistry. I think a big part of Leftwich's problem in the past is that he kept looking for Jimmy Smith and wasn't going through his progressions. This year, he's finding everyone because no one really stands out. It's one of those cases where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Bringing in a guy like Moss would probably set us back two years at this point.

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I hope the Jags do this.

 

Huge cap hit for an average WR. :D

 

No work ethic. Not a good route runner. Oft-injured.

Edited by CaptainHook

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Difficult to imagine why the article even mentions the Bears. That would surely be the last place for Moss to end up. We have a deep threat - his name is Berrian.

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Difficult to imagine why the article even mentions the Bears. That would surely be the last place for Moss to end up. We have a deep threat - his name is Berrian.

 

 

Yeah, I think it's time to stop looking at the Bears as a team that's deperate for offense. Not only do you guys have Muhammad and Berrian, but Clark is finally being used effectively for the first time in several years and you've got a very promising young WR in Mark Bradley that will now have some time to develop properly with the emergence of Berrian.

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I could see MIA, but it would be sink or swim for Saban on that one. Saban is looking like a 3 year coach anyway unless he gets a play caller. He might be just desperate enough to push for this.

 

I just don't see OAK dealing Moss. Porter is still sitting there and while I think they will trade Porter, Moss was supposed to be their sparkling diamond.

I stick by my prediction of Art Shell and company being unemployed and running bed and breakfast's by week 10 and the glimmer of a new regime will perk Moss up.

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Moss threw Tice under the bus in Minnesota. When someone asked Moss if Tice was the right coach for the team, Moss didn't say that he was.

 

 

 

Are you saying he was?

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Are you saying he was?

 

I'll be the first Raider homer to pop in here.

 

I haven't heard any rumors of this outside of this board. And I really wouldn't call him disgruntled, the team is in bad shape now and he wants to win. Porter, now THAT d0ucebag is disgruntled.

 

Everybody knows I hate Moss, and if you don't I am long on history here as posting my dislike of him. With the idea that Walter is the future, and the clear VERY early 1st rd pick coming our way, freeing up space and gaining additional pick (s) would not be a bad thing. To try to build a new, young team around him as there are quite a few positions to fill on the team, not to mention the 1st rd bust operating on that line (Gallery may come around later, but it's quite clear Kiperists were wrong when they predicted him to be a can't miss pro bowler) would be smart. As much as I hate Moss, and as much as a trade COULD make sense, I just don't think it will happen. Al loves him, he's not really causing any problems despite media's attempts to portray his apathy as being disgruntled and problemsome.

 

** edited to fixe some typos and a really rambling paragraph***

Edited by The Vatican Hitsquad

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I'll be the first Raider homer to pop in here.

 

I haven't heard any runoras of this outside of this board. And I really wouldn't call him disgruntled, the team is in bad shape now and he wants to win. Porter, now THAT d0ucebag is disgruntled.

 

Everybody knows I hate Moss, and if you don't I am long on history here as posting my dislike of him. With the idea that Walter is the future, and the clear VERY early 1st rd pick coming our way, freeing up space and gaining additional pick (s) would not be a bad thing to try to build a new, young team around him as there are quite a few positions to fill on the team, not to mention the 1st rd bust operating on that line (Gallery may come around later, but it's quite clear Kiperists were wrong when they predicted him to be a can't miss pro bowler). As much as I hate Moss, and as much as a trade COULD make sense, I just don't think it will happen. Al loves him, he's not really causing any problems despite media's attempts to portray his apathy as being disgruntled and problemsome.

 

am i missing something.. of course the big D is where moss will end up.. LOL next to owens LOL :D

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Our local rag here in Minny mentioned this morning that Moss "is desperate to hook up with Culpepper" again. Nothing substantial behind this, just posting what I saw, FWIW.

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You guys are forgeting, Al Davis owns the Raiders. Moss is going nowhere.

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Our local rag here in Minny mentioned this morning that Moss "is desperate to hook up with Culpepper" again. Nothing substantial behind this, just posting what I saw, FWIW.

 

 

 

:D You mean, on the bench?

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