theeohiostate Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 This isn't "any" D-I program this is a D-I program from a BCS conference! Boise State doesn't play in a "power" conference which is why the will never get a legit shot regardless of who they beat. That's why there was talk a few years ago of Boise possibly joining the Big 12. So, you consider the Big East a "power" conference? There is one reason the Big East is in the BCS.................$$$$$ it's that simple. Really, the ACC is also a member and if Duke or Wake went undefeated, your saying they should be in the NC over a 1 loss SEC team? Boise St. could do very well in the Big East and possible go undefeated any given year in that conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggsy Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Last year they finished the season as the 2nd best team in the country and brought back their entire offense, they manhandled ND in the Fiesta and played the defending National Champions in their own stadium and didn't even break a sweat whipping them. The coaches and the AP , along with the computers give OSU credibilty for this. The fact that they were so good finishing the season last year, and have the nations best D against the points this season is proof enough to 99% of the country that they are unquestioned. If your telling me that Rutgers could play better then .500 ball in the Big 10 or SEC, i can say it's doubtful STANDINGS 2006-07 Big Ten Overall Teams W L Pct. W L Pct. Michigan 6 0 1.000 10 0 1.000 Ohio State 6 0 1.000 10 0 1.000 Wisconsin 6 1 .857 9 1 .900 Penn State 4 3 .571 6 4 .600 Purdue 3 3 .500 6 4 .600 Indiana 3 3 .500 5 5 .500 Iowa 2 4 .333 6 4 .600 Mich State 1 5 .167 4 6 .400 Minnesota 1 5 .167 4 6 .400 Northwstrn 1 5 .167 3 7 .300 Illinois 1 5 .167 2 8 .200 Look at the records in this conference, and this is supposed to be a "powerhouse" and OSU didn't even have to play Wisconsin, the third best team in the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggsy Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 So, you consider the Big East a "power" conference? There is one reason the Big East is in the BCS.................$$$$$ it's that simple. Really, the ACC is also a member and if Duke or Wake went undefeated, your saying they should be in the NC over a 1 loss SEC team? My point actually isn't whether the Big East is powerful. My point is that the BCS created this monster and now should have to deal with it. If there are only two undefeated teams from their conferences then that's what they end up with and that's who they should have to put in their NC game. For what it's worth, I don't neccesarily want to see OSU/Mich vs. Rutgers for the NC any more than anyone else really, although I've said before that having some new blood would be nice rather than the "usual suspects", but the BCS made their bed and now they should have to lie in it. Although I think this will all be moot after RU plays WVU. Then you can have the Michigan-Florida game that you want on Jan.8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Don't forget though, it's not about whether people "think" Rutgers should be there. Because of the computer portion of the BCS, it's possible that Rutgers gets left out because of the numbers. It doesn't matter if they are a member of a BCS conference. It's just a crappy system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggsy Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 It's just a crappy system. exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 STANDINGS 2006-07 Big Ten Overall Teams W L Pct. W L Pct. Michigan 6 0 1.000 10 0 1.000 Ohio State 6 0 1.000 10 0 1.000 Wisconsin 6 1 .857 9 1 .900 Penn State 4 3 .571 6 4 .600 Purdue 3 3 .500 6 4 .600 Indiana 3 3 .500 5 5 .500 Iowa 2 4 .333 6 4 .600 Mich State 1 5 .167 4 6 .400 Minnesota 1 5 .167 4 6 .400 Northwstrn 1 5 .167 3 7 .300 Illinois 1 5 .167 2 8 .200 Look at the records in this conference, and this is supposed to be a "powerhouse" and OSU didn't even have to play Wisconsin, the third best team in the conference. BTW, records mean nothing. Penn State lost to 3 top five teams and has the #2 SOS in the country. Not a bad win at all if you're Michigan or Ohio State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 My point actually isn't whether the Big East is powerful. My point is that the BCS created this monster and now should have to deal with it. If there are only two undefeated teams from their conferences then that's what they end up with and that's who they should have to put in their NC game. For what it's worth, I don't neccesarily want to see OSU/Mich vs. Rutgers for the NC any more than anyone else really, although I've said before that having some new blood would be nice rather than the "usual suspects", but the BCS made their bed and now they should have to lie in it. Although I think this will all be moot after RU plays WVU. Then you can have the Michigan-Florida game that you want on Jan.8 Muggsy, not sure what side you are on. Are you for or against booting the Big East out of the BCS? Was the talk about Bosie State joining the Big 12 about the same time BC, Virginia Tech and Miami left the Big East? Those three teams recognized that in order to compete for a NC they needed to play tougher competition on a week to week basis. Is it any coincident that all of a sudden Louisville, West Virginia and now Rutgers are starting to have better seasons win and loss wise now that these 3 teams have left the Big East? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggsy Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Muggsy, not sure what side you are on. Are you for or against booting the Big East out of the BCS? I am for booting the BCS and setting up some sort of playoff system where this can be decided on the field like every other sport in the world. Championships should not be decided by computers. Why don't we just break out a PlayStation and have it decided that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinatieri Is God Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 I'm usually pretty mellow when it comes to "arguing" message board posts but I honestly can't believe the arrogance being shown by a few in this thread. Spewing forth random BS about certain conferences being outclassed and/or not belonging in the BCS is ridiculous. Other than the SEC who is clearly superior with 5 teams in the Top 15, evry other conference has 3-4 that can be considered very good teams. How does that make the Big East an inferior conference? The bottom teams? If you think Pittsburgh or South Florida can't play with Indiana or Purdue you are sadly mistaken. I watch a lot of college football and trust me, Ohio State is the best team in college football this year. I also don't think Rutgers will win out and finish 12-0, but if they do, there is no way they shouldn't be in the Nat'l Championship game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggsy Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 (edited) I also have a problem with schools (and their fans) preaching that they come from tougher conferences and that is why another BCS school shouldn't get a chance. Then you go and look at the schedules of these schools and see that they only played a handful (if that) of tough games themselves and they are relying simply on the reputation of their conference. Edited November 10, 2006 by Muggsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggsy Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 BTW, records mean nothing. Penn State lost to 3 top five teams and has the #2 SOS in the country. Not a bad win at all if you're Michigan or Ohio State. What would have made it an impressive win would be if PSU had BEATEN one of those three teams. Florida Atlantic can go out and lose to three top 5 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinatieri Is God Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 I'm liking this Muggsy guy. You are making excellent points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanruiz13 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Big East Standings TEAM CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L Rutgers 4-0 9-0 Louisville 3-1 8-1 West Virginia 2-1 7-1 Pittsburgh 2-2 6-3 South Florida 2-2 6-3 Cincinnati 2-2 5-4 Connecticut 0-3 3-5 Syracuse 0-4 3-6 6 of the 8 Big East teams could be bowl eligible I'm obviously Rutgers/Big East bias, but we were hearing the same things last year before WVU beat Georgia IN Georgia. I think anyone who says the Big East shouldn't be a BCS conference is just being very bitter. I'll go back to enjoying the great win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 10, 2006 Author Share Posted November 10, 2006 Last year they finished the season as the 2nd best team in the country and brought back their entire offense, they manhandled ND in the Fiesta and played the defending National Champions in their own stadium and didn't even break a sweat whipping them. The coaches and the AP , along with the computers give OSU credibilty for this. The fact that they were so good finishing the season last year, and have the nations best D against the points this season is proof enough to 99% of the country that they are unquestioned. If your telling me that Rutgers could play better then .500 ball in the Big 10 or SEC, i can say it's doubtful um this is college we are talking about right? what does last yr have to do with anything, other then PS rankings when they factor in returnees etc...i mean if OSU lost their last 3 games last yr are you saying they shouldnt be considered #1 this year? I guess what i dont understand is why a team can be ranked in the top 15 and then if it beats the #3 team and then a week later beats the former #3 team, all being LATE in the season and they finish undefeated how they can be denied a shot at the NC since they are one of only 2 undefeated teams left.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 What would have made it an impressive win would be if PSU had BEATEN one of those three teams. Florida Atlantic can go out and lose to three top 5 teams. Rumor has it that LSU will be playing Penn State in the Outback Bowl on January 1st. The Outback Bowl usually selects an SEC East team to play in the game, but the division is pretty weak this season, outside of Florida and Tennessee. LSU hasn't played in the Tampa game since 1988, when it was called the Hall of Fame Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 10, 2006 Author Share Posted November 10, 2006 Really do you want to see Rutgers-OSU or USC-OSU? umm yeah i would like to see RU vs OSU and i am sure a large portion of the country would be pulling for david vs goliath...i think it would actually do college football some good and also help the BE too...as for USC-OSU I honestly can say I probably wouldnt even watch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 I guess what i dont understand is why a team can be ranked in the top 15 and then if it beats the #3 team and then a week later beats the former #3 team, all being LATE in the season and they finish undefeated how they can be denied a shot at the NC since they are one of only 2 undefeated teams left.... Former #3 that's silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 10, 2006 Author Share Posted November 10, 2006 Former #3 from the Big East that's silly fixed oh and fwiw I am not a RU fan just see something that is interesting to debate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 fixed oh and fwiw I am not a RU fan just see something that is interesting to debate Have to admit the Big East does play some entertaining football. Would hate to have my team face them in a somewhat meaningless bowl game. Not much to gain and everything to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 What would have made it an impressive win would be if PSU had BEATEN one of those three teams. Florida Atlantic can go out and lose to three top 5 teams. The point I'm making is that it's about the numbers because that's all that the computers know. I feel that if they run the table Rutgers should be given a shot at the NC. I just don't believe they'll be given that opportunity based on the numbers game the BCS plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 um this is college we are talking about right? what does last yr have to do with anything, other then PS rankings when they factor in returnees etc...i mean if OSU lost their last 3 games last yr are you saying they shouldnt be considered #1 this year? I guess what i dont understand is why a team can be ranked in the top 15 and then if it beats the #3 team and then a week later beats the former #3 team, all being LATE in the season and they finish undefeated how they can be denied a shot at the NC since they are one of only 2 undefeated teams left.... Last year is basically how the polls are set to begin the season, so they're VERY important. Teams not ranked high to start the season have a difficult time climbing past those that are. If a top team brings back alot of their players, then they're always ranked high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 The point I'm making is that it's about the numbers because that's all that the computers know. I feel that if they run the table Rutgers should be given a shot at the NC. I just don't believe they'll be given that opportunity based on the numbers game the BCS plays. To be honest, I'm glad the computers are still part of the BCS selection process. At least it helps balance out some of the prejudices you have in the polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 STANDINGS 2006-07 Big Ten Overall Teams W L Pct. W L Pct. Michigan 6 0 1.000 10 0 1.000 Ohio State 6 0 1.000 10 0 1.000 Wisconsin 6 1 .857 9 1 .900 Penn State 4 3 .571 6 4 .600 Purdue 3 3 .500 6 4 .600 Indiana 3 3 .500 5 5 .500 Iowa 2 4 .333 6 4 .600 Mich State 1 5 .167 4 6 .400 Minnesota 1 5 .167 4 6 .400 Northwstrn 1 5 .167 3 7 .300 Illinois 1 5 .167 2 8 .200 Look at the records in this conference, and this is supposed to be a "powerhouse" and OSU didn't even have to play Wisconsin, the third best team in the conference. I guess your trying to suggest the Big 10 is weaker then the Big East Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 FWIW, it's the Rutgers Strength of Schedule killing them right now. It's currently 62. Only Wake Forest and Boise State have lower ones out of the top 25 teams. Exactly, which is why Rutgers does not deserve the NC game, and won't even sniff it. The Big East, while much improved, and a BCS conference, is not a strong conference. Previous to this game, I think the Big East had 2 wins vs. top 30, and 1 win vs. Top 10, which was UL over WVU, not good at all- until these JV schools start playing someone out of conference they will not be a top tier league- period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 seriously what happens then uh, they had nice season? nothing- they will still likely be snubbed, like a lot of undefeated, or talented 1 loss teams in past years. Many teams much better that RU denied the chance in the past, this is nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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