billay Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Not that Dick was ever going to condemn his daughter, but this flies right at the heart of Cheny's conservatism, and of those that support him. Maybe some of these people will realize that these issues aren't as black and white as they think. LINK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Not that Dick was ever going to condemn his daughter, but this flies right at the heart of Cheny's conservatism, and of those that support him. How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billay Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 How so? You realize, of course, that Mary Cheny is an unwed Lesbian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Yes. If she was attempting to get married, that would "fly in the face of Cheney and SOME conservatives who oppose homos getting married. But did Cheney ever say that homos should not be parents? As a conservative, I am for extending marital rights to faqs and if they want kids, so be it. And Cheney seems to be generally thrilled to learn that he will be a grandfather after probably thinking his daughter would never have kids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billay Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 But did Cheney ever say that homos should not be parents? As a conservative, I am for extending marital rights to faqs and if they want kids, so be it. And Cheney seems to be generally thrilled to learn that he will be a grandfather after probably thinking his daughter would never have kids... I'm sure he's thrilled about the prospect of having a grandchild, but if you think the religious right is at all happy about it, you've got another think coming. The majority of the religious right does believe that gay's should not be able to adopt children, heck, most adoption agencies won't place a child in a gay household. Frankly, having a child is a more realistic option for gay couples. So now that Mary Cheny is on par with Melissa Etheridge and David Crosby, you think the religious right is cool with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controller Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 OK, which one of you Oprahers doinked the VP's dike spawn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I'm sure he's thrilled about the prospect of having a grandchild, but if you think the religious right is at all happy about it, you've got another think coming. The majority of the religious right does believe that gay's should not be able to adopt children, heck, most adoption agencies won't place a child in a gay household. Frankly, having a child is a more realistic option for gay couples. So now that Mary Cheny is on par with Melissa Etheridge and David Crosby, you think the religious right is cool with that? Oh, now you are talking about the "religious right". You just mentioned "conservatives" in your first post. That is like saying that all Democrats are black or gay. The term conservative and religious right are NOT synonymous. I am a conservative but I am agnostic. I am sure the "religious right" doesnt think homos should be allowed to marry or have children. Now, do you think Dick Cheney is a member of the religious right or just a conservative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 OK, which one of you Oprahers doinked the VP's dike spawn? She slipped a roofie into my drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Yes. If she was attempting to get married, that would "fly in the face of Cheney and SOME conservatives who oppose homos getting married. But did Cheney ever say that homos should not be parents? As a conservative, I am for extending marital rights to faqs and if they want kids, so be it. And Cheney seems to be generally thrilled to learn that he will be a grandfather after probably thinking his daughter would never have kids... Gays raising children with no father? Helloooo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Oh, now you are talking about the "religious right". You just mentioned "conservatives" in your first post. That is like saying that all Democrats are black or gay. The term conservative and religious right are NOT synonymous. I am a conservative but I am agnostic. I am sure the "religious right" doesnt think homos should be allowed to marry or have children. Now, do you think Dick Cheney is a member of the religious right or just a conservative? the stereotype man doesnt like being stereotyped.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Gays raising children with no father? Helloooo. Quiet you. Its the new conservatism. Mission accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 She is obviously a liberal America hater trying to destroy our great nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Gays raising children with no father? Helloooo. Please keep your personal situation to yourself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 a liberal America hater No need to be redundant, sir... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Not that Dick was ever going to condemn his daughter, but this flies right at the heart of Cheny's conservatism, and of those that support him. cheney's always been very supportive of his daughter. Maybe some people will realize that these issues aren't as black and white as they think. indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billay Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 Oh, now you are talking about the "religious right". You just mentioned "conservatives" in your first post. That is like saying that all Democrats are black or gay. The term conservative and religious right are NOT synonymous. I am a conservative but I am agnostic. I am sure the "religious right" doesnt think homos should be allowed to marry or have children. Now, do you think Dick Cheney is a member of the religious right or just a conservative? Methinks you have no leg to stand on, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billay Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 cheney's always been very supportive of his daughter. Yes, but she has certainly been a political thorn in his side. Remember when conservatives got their feathers all ruffled when John Edwards mentioned her in the VP debate? I have no doubt that Cheny wants to downplay his daughter and her lifestyle as much as possible. She just keeps making it more difficult for him and thus difficult for all "religious conservatives" to condemn the gay lifestyle as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Honestly. This ranks about .00001 out of 10 on the Cheney is an a-hole scale. What does this have to do with him anyway? Is this the first time in history that parents and children didn't share the same values? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billay Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 Honestly. This ranks about .00001 out of 10 on the Cheney is an a-hole scale. What does this have to do with him anyway? Is this the first time in history that parents and children didn't share the same values? Oh, I don't think he's done anything to be considered an A$$hole in his relationship with his daughter. I just enjoy the ambiguity that this situation creates among those who support him politically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I knew it. All them lesbos secretly crave man goo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 the stereotype man doesnt like being stereotyped.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 (edited) Yes, but she has certainly been a political thorn in his side. Remember when conservatives got their feathers all ruffled when John Edwards mentioned her in the VP debate? yeah and there was also kerry, who mentioned cheney's daughter, a lesbian, in the debates. and what ruffled the most feathers, if i recall correctly, was the classlessness of the move -- assuming, like you are, that cheney's supporters will support him less, and blatantly attempting to stoke their perceived bigotry to their own electoral advantage. I have no doubt that Cheny wants to downplay his daughter and her lifestyle as much as possible. yeah, that's why she was cheney's campaign manager in 2004, getting up on the podium with her family AND her partner after the debates and various other public appearances. She just keeps making it more difficult for him and thus difficult for all "religious conservatives" to condemn the gay lifestyle as a whole. eh, i don't think she affects people attitudes toward gay marriage and the like one iota. all she really does is give "tolerant" people like yourself a chance to display your "tolerance" (and class) by standing up and shouting, "HA! a LESBIAN....cheney's daughter is a LESBIAN, and she's gonna have a little carpet-muncher baby with her dyke 'partner'! hahahaha!! that that, republicans." Edited December 7, 2006 by Azazello1313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Yes. If she was attempting to get married, that would "fly in the face of Cheney and SOME conservatives who oppose homos getting married. But did Cheney ever say that homos should not be parents? As a conservative, I am for extending marital rights to faqs and if they want kids, so be it. And Cheney seems to be generally thrilled to learn that he will be a grandfather after probably thinking his daughter would never have kids... First off, I thought you were less of a republican thatn you give yourself credit for, as you've correctly pointed out how lame Dem candidates usually are. Secondly, if that bolded part is true for you, then you also know that you are in the moniority of the conservative camp on this issue. Finally, how you been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Secondly, if that bolded part is true for you, then you also know that you are in the moniority of the conservative camp on this issue. he would also be in the minority of the "liberal" camp as well. i think i remember seeing a poll where 33% of registered democrats are in favor of extending marital rights to gays, and 55% are opposed. granted, with republicans it's probably more like 80/20, and with self-identified "religious conservatives" it's probably like 99/1. but that's gay marriage, not simply the idea that gay people can live their lives as they please, an idea which is supported by the vast majority of voters from BOTH parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 (edited) The Republican Party is the party of ghay hate. Latent repressed ghay ghay hate. Edited December 7, 2006 by skins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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