dubbs Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I looked to see if there was a discussion on this but didn't see it if there was. The Grossman "pass" that was recovered by St. Louis but ruled an incomplete pass because his hand was going forward. Was it just me or didn't the ball actually land BEHIND where Grossman "threw" the ball. Isn't this a fumble (lateral) regardless of whether his hand was moving forward or not? I only saw one replay on it as I was distracted with the kid. If so ... HUGH turning point it might have been in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysrocking Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I looked to see if there was a discussion on this but didn't see it if there was. The Grossman "pass" that was recovered by St. Louis but ruled an incomplete pass because his hand was going forward. Was it just me or didn't the ball actually land BEHIND where Grossman "threw" the ball. Isn't this a fumble (lateral) regardless of whether his hand was moving forward or not? I only saw one replay on it as I was distracted with the kid. If so ... HUGH turning point it might have been in the game. Id have to see it again but you might be right!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsnottatooma Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I was at the game and that's what it looked like to me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 the announcers said that it doesn't matter which way the ball went, so long as his arm was moving forward it is by rule an incomplete pass totally retarded rule if you ask me (I saw the ball going backwards too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 And the guy on ESPN just said that he thinks they got the call wrong too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 the announcers said that it doesn't matter which way the ball went, so long as his arm was moving forward it is by rule an incomplete pass totally retarded rule if you ask me (I saw the ball going backwards too) that is correct...if the pass is forced backwards by the momentum of the defender, it is NOT ruled a lateral...just an imcomplete pass. Why this odd rule exists, I have no idea. I too was thinking during the review that it would be ruled a fumble for no other reason than the ball landed two yards behind the point where Grossman threw it. Wierd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I thought a backward pass was a fumble. It didn't bounce off someone and go backwards... it left his hand going backwards. I thought the same thing. I had the TV muted, so I couldn't get Theisman's expert opinion on it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I thought the same thing. I had the TV muted, so I couldn't get Theisman's expert opinion on it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I thought a backward pass was a fumble. It didn't bounce off someone and go backwards... it left his hand going backwards. I thought the same thing. I had the TV muted, so I couldn't get Theisman's expert opinion on it though. A backward pass is a lateral and in turn a fumble if the arm motion was also backward. But in this case, the arm motion was forward (or so they ruled) and the impetous (sp?) of the defensive player's hit made the ball go backward. As long as the ref said the arm was moving in a forward motion, it does not matter where the ball lands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 The thing that bugged me about that call was that I thought Grossman's arm started moving forward by virtue of having been hit by the defensive player (it pains me to agree with Thiesmann, but I thought he was on the money on this one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhippens Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 i just wish they would get rid of this rule so we don't have to have this conversation half a dozen times a year. the worst part about rules like this is when the interpretation or opinion of what one guys sees makes the difference, especially during playoffs like it has happened many times in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbs Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 In the immortal words of Bill Walton "Terrible, Horrible" rule. If the ball goes backwards, should be a fumble. Case Closed. Anything else leaves the decision open to interpretation. MAN LAW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 The thing that bugged me about that call was that I thought Grossman's arm started moving forward by virtue of having been hit by the defensive player (it pains me to agree with Thiesmann, but I thought he was on the money on this one). I, Whomper, agree with the post that I have have quoted above me. Im not using this post to pad im simply reassuring the huddler who posted the quote above that I am in agreement with the general sentiments of their post © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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