peepinmofo Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 (edited) http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/15/diaz.exe...n.ap/index.html I know they might have botched the insertion of the needle or whatever, and ya, he might have suffered... But honestly, why is it an issue if a murderer suffers at all? I dont care if he found God, or if he wants to donate a million dollars to a childrens fund. Bottom line is he took someone elses life in a harmful manner, so he should not deserve to live. Theres always an exception to the rule, but this certainly does NOT follow it. Edited December 15, 2006 by peepinmofo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/15/diaz.exe...n.ap/index.html I know they might have botched the insertion of the needle or whatever, and ya, he might have suffered... But honestly, why is it an issue if a murderer suffers at all? I dont care if he found God, or if he wants to donate a million dollars to a childrens fund. Bottom line is he took someone elses life in a harmful manner, so he should not deserve to live. Theres always an exception to the rule, but this certainly does NOT follow it. I personally think it's exceptionally funny that they have to swab the injection site with iodine so the condemned doesn't get an infection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Not in favor of death penalty ..I know large majority of huddlers may be but murder by murder is not part of my beliefs ...we end up taking a life just like the guy on death row took a life ...do not believe we have that right as actual human beings regardless of what some court says ( a court made up also of human beings ) There is some garbage out there and a lot of people who deserve lifetime incarceration but I personally draw the line there ...just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted December 15, 2006 Author Share Posted December 15, 2006 Not in favor of death penalty ..I know large majority of huddlers may be but murder by murder is not part of my beliefs ...we end up taking a life just like the guy on death row took a life ...do not believe we have that right as actual human beings regardless of what some court says ( a court made up also of human beings ) There is some garbage out there and a lot of people who deserve lifetime incarceration but I personally draw the line there ...just my two cents. Not to go against you, but what should we do then with a murderer? Youre in favor of keeping him alive with your money? What if he killed a family member of yours? You wouldnt mind supporting his life, paying for his meals, paying for his shelter... just so he can say he literally got away with murder? His life might not be the same in prison, but at least he can still eat, sleep, dream, smell, etc.... all of these are things the person he killed can obviously no longer do. Ive just never understood the thought of not supporting the death penalty for reasons of murder and what not. Example - All these little girl murders that happened around here recently... How can you defend the life of a man that rapes and murders an innocent little girl? What purpose would that man serve in this world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Youre in favor of keeping him alive with your money? It costs more to execute someone than to keep them imprisoned in a supermax prison for the rest of their natural life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 It costs more to execute someone than to keep them imprisoned in a supermax prison for the rest of their natural life. While I know the studies prove this true, I've often found that odd. But really, should something like this come down to the cost? Kind of like in a debate on saving the environment or some other cause, it eventually comes up that the costs outweight the benefits...but who is to say it should have a price tag on it to begin with...just do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 But really, should something like this come down to the cost? I was just responding peepinmofo's comment about how it costs tax money to house people in prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 It costs more to execute someone than to keep them imprisoned in a supermax prison for the rest of their natural life. This is true. I read somewhere (TIME or Newsweek) that the average person on death row (including the killing of before mentioned person) cost the state between 6 and 15 million clams. Where as a person in prison for life (25+ years) only cost 1.5 million. on average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 I personally support the death. BUT only for crimes against childern and that includes raping a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Ive just never understood the thought of not supporting the death penalty for reasons of murder and what not. The criminal justice system is far from perfect. Juries make mistakes. DNA evidence has proven that many persons are wrongly convicted. Many people have been executed for crimes they did not commit. Its not about whether someone "deserves" to die. Its about whether the state should be killing people. It shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 isnt the criminal legal process there not only to punish, but to deter also? thats why im for the death penalty. you should actually go down in the exact same manner that you killed. like in the old days, an eye for an eye! agree with cliaz on crimes to children there must be rock solid, clear cut evidence too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 hmmm, has this topic ever been discussed here? I am against the death penalty. Anyone who has ever worked in a prison or been to prison will tell you that it is a much worse punishment to spend your life in prison than to be executed. If killing is wrong, then killing is wrong. (a tired example I use) If my older son punches my younger son, should I teach my older son that it is wrong to punch smaller people by punching him? And finally, there are too many times when an innocent person was found guilty and later exonerated. Or when it was discovered that a state attorney kept back evidence that would have shown the defendant was guilty. Or when the public defender was just going through the motions and did not attempt to mount a defense. I'm not comfortable with the state executing the guilty. I'm certainly not comfortable with an innocent person being killed in the name of acceptable error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 isnt the criminal legal process there not only to punish, but to deter also? thats why im for the death penalty. Respectfully, show me one (just one) study, published in a peer reviewed journal, that demonstrates that the death penalty deters criminals. (and please, don't come back with "Well, executing that criminal will deter him in the future.") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Respectfully, show me one (just one) study, published in a peer reviewed journal, that demonstrates that the death penalty deters criminals. (and please, don't come back with "Well, executing that criminal will deter him in the future.") i have no studies to show you. but i do think the harsher the punishment, the less likely someone will commit a crime...imho are you saying that the criminal legal system is there just to punish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 i have no studies to show you. but i do think the harsher the punishment, the less likely someone will commit a crime...imho are you saying that the criminal legal system is there just to punish? In reality, I know it is. Have you ever been inside of a prison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 It costs more to execute someone than to keep them imprisoned in a supermax prison for the rest of their natural life. The only reason this is true is the length of time people sit on death row and the extensive appeals process they're given automatically. If we were to reform the system we could have a much quicker and less expensive process while at the same time ensuring that the chances of executing an innocent person are almost nil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 In reality, I know it is. Have you ever been inside of a prison? no thanks....sharing a 5x7 room with a guy named bubba isnt my idea of a good time. see, thats a deterent!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I was just responding peepinmofo's comment about how it costs tax money to house people in prison. Oh, I hear ya. It seems people's defense of life in prison is it is cheaper. That does the debate no justice, in my opinion. The real argument shouldn't be about the cost, it should be whether it is ethical, blah, blah, blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Respectfully, show me one (just one) study, published in a peer reviewed journal, that demonstrates that the death penalty deters criminals. (and please, don't come back with "Well, executing that criminal will deter him in the future.") :raiseshand: The whole reason why I don't kill people is because I don't wanna be killed myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 :raiseshand: The whole reason why I don't kill people is because I don't wanna be killed myself. Is that really the "whole" reason you don't kill people...because you are afraid you'll be killed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Is that really the "whole" reason you don't kill people...because you are afraid you'll be killed? Is it really possible to have a comprehensive study with our current system where people sit on death row for decades before execution, if they get executed at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Is it really possible to have a comprehensive study with our current system where people sit on death row for decades before execution, if they get executed at all? I don't know. I do know that I've evaluated a large number of individuals who have committed murder who never gave a second thought to being caught or viewed the death penalty (or life in prison) as a deterrent. Most never thought they would be caught. IMO, most people make the error of viewing murder, a potential death sentence, and/or potentially spending life in prison through the eyes of a relatively normal individual. Most people believe that taking a life is wrong. We know that by killing, we do serious harm and hurt not only the person killed, but many others as well. Empathy, compassion, etc cloud our view. People who commit murder usually don't operate that way. Many times, people who kill simply see others as objects--there is no emotional connection. Empathy, compassion, etc do not exist. A person who can kill tends to have a very egocentric view of the world. Even in so called 'crimes of passion' or 'in the moment' rage, the "murderer" is not thinking about any consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Respectfully, show me one (just one) study, published in a peer reviewed journal, that demonstrates that the death penalty deters criminals. (and please, don't come back with "Well, executing that criminal will deter him in the future.") Personally if the death penalty served no other purpose than the elimination of recidivism by the person executed that is enough to make the death penalty worthwhile. It is hard to argue that the death penalty deters crime because it is not implemented on a consistent and timely manner. I fully believe if it was implemented in a consistent and timely fashion it could indeed become a deterrent. However, I admit that in today's environment most criminals do not believe they are ever going to get caught and as such don't fear the consequences of their actions. The entire criminal system needs to be overhauled so that criminals fear getting caught and fear the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 It is hard to argue that the death penalty deters crime because it is not implemented on a consistent and timely manner. I fully believe if it was implemented in a consistent and timely fashion it could indeed become a deterrent. However, I admit that in today's environment most criminals do not believe they are ever going to get caught and as such don't fear the consequences of their actions. The entire criminal system needs to be overhauled so that criminals fear getting caught and fear the consequences. Here again, imo, you are making an error in believing that people who murder exist in the same framework as you and I. I honestly believe that there is no deterrent for many, if not most (or all) individuals who commit murder. Their view of people and the world is sufficiently distorted that they do not fear consequences, nor do they view people as people--at least not in the manner that we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Here again, imo, you are making an error in believing that people who murder exist in the same framework as you and I. I honestly believe that there is no deterrent for many, if not most (or all) individuals who commit murder. Their view of people and the world is sufficiently distorted that they do not fear consequences, nor do they view people as people--at least not in the manner that we do. You may be right. Today Americans are all about what feels right damn the consequences and murder is just the extreme expression of not caring about the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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