Czarina Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Our friend moneymakers is reading the thread. Someone go wake DMD up and whip out that thread gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Is it any less likely than the fantastical and impossible immaculate coneception and a dead person rising from the dead? I am just saying that you must take some unlikely and physically impossible things as FACT in order to be christian. I understand thats where "faith" comes into play. But your "faith" has you believe things that are "not likely" so its pretty hard for you to argue that something ALOT more likely than the impossible tenants of the christian faith, are unlikely. I am not trying to get this thread locked, just want to point out a logical flaw in Jimmys arguement! Do you even know what Jimmy is arguing? (I don't think you do.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Do you even know what Jimmy is arguing? (I don't think you do.) I believe he was arguing that it is very unlikely that the tomb that was discovered contained the remains of Jesus and his family. My arguement is that it is ALOT more unlikely that Jesus was born of a virgin and then rose from the dead, than his body being entombed there. Christians MUST take some incredibly unlikely things on faith. Not only unlikely, but unprecedented and impossible by any means we know of. So, to argue that its unlikely that a poor man could be buried in a rich mans grave, is sort of disengenuous. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 I believe he was arguing that it is very unlikely that the tomb that was discovered contained the remains of Jesus and his family. My arguement is that it is ALOT more unlikely that Jesus was born of a virgin and then rose from the dead, than his body being entombed there. Christians MUST take some incredibly unlikely things on faith. Not only unlikely, but unprecedented and impossible by any means we know of. So, to argue that its unlikely that a poor man could be buried in a rich mans grave, is sort of disengenuous. No? No. He was arguing that even a two-bit archeologist should know that it clearly explains in the Bible as to how Jesus came to be buried in a rich man's tomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 No. He was arguing that even a two-bit archeologist should know that it clearly explains in the Bible as to how Jesus came to be buried in a rich man's tomb. Uh, then, nevermind. Please resume with your normally scheduled programming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Uh, then, nevermind. Please resume with your normally scheduled programming... Which, I believe, is some sort of outdoorsman hunting show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Which, I believe, is some sort of outdoorsman hunting show. Or a show on how to keep all 15 of your wives happy and satisfied... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 An epic movie maker has made a discovery that supposedly rattles the foundations of Christianity. Hmmmmmm. For some reason my faith isn't shaken even in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Was there a birth certificate in there saying what the "H" stood for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 whew..... made it through the night.....I felt this presence behind me....watching..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Maybe he can locate Santa's workshop next. Now that's a find I would be interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 whew..... made it through the night.....I felt this presence behind me....watching..... strange how you enjoy men behind you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 whew..... made it through the night.....I felt this presence behind me....watching..... strange how you enjoy men behind you I knew someone was gonna park that softball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 strange how you enjoy men behind you I knew someone was gonna park that softball What are you two trying to say about DMD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 What are you two trying to say about DMD? I enjoy his rankings and I love priority news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 One bad reply and this thread is gone. Just being honest here. Oooo, shocking you would put your foot down like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 A movie maker is going to enlighten us all on how it really happened 2000 years ago? That's about as absurd as actors dabbling in politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 That's about as absurd as actors dabbling in politics. Yeah, that Reagan guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 I predict that if James Cameron doesn't win an oscar that his house will be plagued by locusts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Apparently we can't tell who the father of Anna Nicole's baby is, but Cameron can somehow use DNA testing to prove that this is the tomb of Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Apparently we can't tell who the father of Anna Nicole's baby is, but Cameron can somehow use DNA testing to prove that this is the tomb of Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Just came back from 12 o'clock mass with my kids ....christ is alive in my heart and like savag wrote a few posts ago , my faith aint shaken on bit .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Is it any less likely than the fantastical and impossible immaculate coneception and a dead person rising from the dead? I am just saying that you must take some unlikely and physically impossible things as FACT in order to be christian. I understand thats where "faith" comes into play. But your "faith" has you believe things that are "not likely" so its pretty hard for you to argue that something ALOT more likely than the impossible tenants of the christian faith, are unlikely. I am not trying to get this thread locked, just want to point out a logical flaw in Jimmys arguement! Wiegie has already covered this and is correct. Your point about faith is way off base from my point of view. Faith and logic are merely a dialectical tandem that works for many of us, not mutually exclusive approaches in any way, shape or form. Apparently we can't tell who the father of Anna Nicole's baby is, but Cameron can somehow use DNA testing to prove that this is the tomb of Jesus. No doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Faith and logic are merely a dialectical tandem that works for many of us, not mutually exclusive approaches in any way, shape or form.[/color] Dont you have to completely deny logic in order for faith to work? I mean, it is illigocal and impossible to have a virgin birth, and yet, you believe it on faith. It is illogical and impossible for someone to rise from the dead, and yet, you believe it on faith. You never saw either of these things and neither has anyone else. Logically we know for a fact that they are impossible. How can logic and faith work as a tandem rather than having to completely disregard one in favor of the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Because Jimmy and the rest are too afraid to believe you are on this Earth for around 70 years give or take and return to the carbon cycle so they worship some made up fiction? *lightening* Or I could be wron.......adggdffsssssscvxxxxxxxxxxxxxstsadfahh;krejklffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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