Rockerbraves Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Belonging is one thing. Living up to your seeding is another thing. Wisconsin's performance and OSU's (once they faced a half-way decent team) are not exactly number 1 and 2 seed material. Sort of like OSU and UM weren't exactly number one and two in football. In that respect, I do think the analogy makes sense. The top two teams in the conference are ranked higher than they deserve to be for beating up on a weak conference overall. Little premature on knocking the Buckeyes, don't you think? Last time I checked they were still in the tourney and are favored to advance to the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Wisconsin is the only team that was overseeded IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Little premature on knocking the Buckeyes, don't you think? Last time I checked they were still in the tourney and are favored to advance to the next level. I still think they were overseeded. It almost took an act of God to get them to the sweet 16. Hey, I know how the system works. The achieved their seeding based on the record. I just think they've been exposed somewhat (which is really more a condemnation of the Big 10 overall). Oh and for the record, I'm a Big 10 guy. Just feel it was a down year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 The only thing I'll say is that a lot of team squeek by and end up winning the championship. A lot of good teams throughout the years should have lost and then go on to greatness, ie.. Duke 1992 just to name one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I still think they were overseeded. It almost took an act of God to get them to the sweet 16. Hey, I know how the system works. The achieved their seeding based on the record. I just think they've been exposed somewhat (which is really more a condemnation of the Big 10 overall). Oh and for the record, I'm a Big 10 guy. Just feel it was a down year. Bucks are on a 19 game win streak. Handled both Purdue and Wisconsin fairly easy in the Big Ten Tournament by double digit margins. Granted they won a game they might of should have lost, but that's the sign of a good team. Not gonna sit here and defend the Big 10 overall, but to me with the exception of Wisconsin they did fine in the tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Belonging is one thing. Living up to your seeding is another thing. To me, living up to your seeding is winning the games against teams seeded beneath you. Ohio State (1) beat Central Connecticut State (16) and Xavier (9). So far so good. Wisconsin (2) beat Texas A&M Corpus Christi (15) and lost to UNLV (7). They lost a game they were seeded to win. Indiana (7) beat Gonzaga (10) and lost to UCLA (2). They did what they were supposed to do. Purdue (9) beat Arizona (8) and lost to Florida (1). They exceeded their seeding. Michigan State (9) beat Marquette (8) and lost to North Carolina (1). Again exceeded expectations. Illinois (12) lost to Virginia Tech (5) as they were expected to based on seeding. So we have 2 teams that followed seeding to form, 2 that beat a higher seeded team, 1 team that was upset, and 1 team still playing. To me, Wisconsin is the only team that did not live up to their seeding. And I'll echo that the Brian Butch injury hurt them alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Purdue (9) beat Arizona (8) and lost to Florida (1). They exceeded their seeding. Michigan State (9) beat Marquette (8) and lost to North Carolina (1). Again exceeded expectations. So the only two exceeding happen to be a 9 over an 8 (and Marquette was without arguably their best player). Those games are coin flips so I wouldn't really call that some great accomplishment. Plus I don't think it's as black and white as this. How did the teams play overall? Wisconsin not only didn't escape the second round but very nearly lost to a 15 seed in the first. Then OSU nearly lost to a 9 seed. My analogy to the football season was really focusing on the top two teams (in order to compare them to UM and OSU in football). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 My analogy to the football season was really focusing on the top two teams (in order to compare them to UM and OSU in football). Will agree with your analogy IF Ohio State doesn't make it to the final four and even more so if they don't make the elite 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 (edited) Why wasn't Oden given a flagrant for steamrolling that kid from X on the rebound late? Ballgame right there - if I was a fan of X, I'd be hopping mad. I know the refs like to avoid being the focus in these big ones late, and I usually agree, but that was a horrible non-call.... Edit to add: And I have OSU going all the way vs. FL in the final, lest someone think I'm a hater... Edited March 19, 2007 by Coffeeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 To me, living up to your seeding is winning the games against teams seeded beneath you. Ohio State (1) beat Central Connecticut State (16) and Xavier (9). So far so good. Wisconsin (2) beat Texas A&M Corpus Christi (15) and lost to UNLV (7). They lost a game they were seeded to win. Indiana (7) beat Gonzaga (10) and lost to UCLA (2). They did what they were supposed to do. Purdue (9) beat Arizona (8) and lost to Florida (1). They exceeded their seeding. Michigan State (9) beat Marquette (8) and lost to North Carolina (1). Again exceeded expectations. Illinois (12) lost to Virginia Tech (5) as they were expected to based on seeding. So we have 2 teams that followed seeding to form, 2 that beat a higher seeded team, 1 team that was upset, and 1 team still playing. To me, Wisconsin is the only team that did not live up to their seeding. And I'll echo that the Brian Butch injury hurt them alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Don't applaud yet, the Big 10's great savior still needs to get by the underdog Vols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 This is a debate that has been going on between NBA and college coaches for years. Some like to foul in that situation, some don't - it is not poor coaching though. Most of the top coaches in both the NBA and college do not foul there. Many times you can get a continuation type-foul, or end up with a strange bounce of the missed 2nd FT- many many factors, and even if it may be a good strategy, it goes against what coaches teach, and believe in. Many coaches would rather play tough D, make them take a defended 3. Most times this works- in this spot Lewis hit the 3 - tough to swallow. It goes "against" what coaches teach? Teams that are down employ the "foul the other team strategy" to stop the clock with regularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 It goes "against" what coaches teach? Teams that are down employ the "foul the other team strategy" to stop the clock with regularity. Yeah - it does - yer talking about an Xavier team UP by 3 with the clock winding down. Coaches teach to play tough D, and make the shot contested. Coaches tend to believe in their team, and will take their chances with not fouling- as you have seen many many times. fyi - it happened to UW vs. UCONN 2 years ago, and Lorenzo Romar's defense was that.... A) he had seen too many guys get continuation calls and be at the FT with a chance to tie a wacky bounce off the 2nd FT, resulting in an offensive rebound, and them sticking a 3 - bam, game over. Certainly not often- but that made Romar not foul. He also went on about believing yer team can play good enough D to contest a 3, and the % are in yer favor. . The foul or not foul is debated all the time- the % are in yer favor playing tough D, but when they actually stick the 3 like Lewis- it sure makes the fouling option look nice........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmypg Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Tenn didn't foul Virginia in the same situation but we're not talking about that because Virginia missed. Xavier went with the odds but Lewis made a great shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Tenn didn't foul Virginia in the same situation but we're not talking about that because Virginia missed. Xavier went with the odds but Lewis made a great shot. Thought I heard the Vols coach say yesterday on Tim Brando's Show that he wanted his playerrs to foul but they didn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 20, 2007 Author Share Posted March 20, 2007 (edited) Tenn didn't foul Virginia in the same situation but we're not talking about that because Virginia missed. Xavier went with the odds but Lewis made a great shot. Tenn fouled Virginia when they were up by 3 or 4 near the end of the game as UVA was bringing the ball up the court. It actually happened twice inside the last 20 secs. UVA made both FTs on both occasions. Edited March 20, 2007 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmypg Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Yes, but not on the last poss. UVA got a shot at the tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Little premature on knocking the Buckeyes, don't you think? Last time I checked they were still in the tourney and are favored to advance to the next level. Will agree with your analogy IF Ohio State doesn't make it to the final four and even more so if they don't make the elite 8. Don't applaud yet, the Big 10's great savior still needs to get by the underdog Vols. They need a HUGH second half to get out of the Sweet 16. Down by 17 at the half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 If OhiO State loses to a SEC team my cousins from up there will get a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 They need a HUGH second half to get out of the Sweet 16. Down by 17 at the half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 At this point I won't be surprised if they end up winning the whole damn thing. Seems to be a 'destiny' type thing now. To win the last two games in comeback fashion like that probably has them feeling pretty invincible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinL Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 To me, living up to your seeding is winning the games against teams seeded beneath you. Ohio State (1) beat Central Connecticut State (16) and Xavier (9). So far so good. Wisconsin (2) beat Texas A&M Corpus Christi (15) and lost to UNLV (7). They lost a game they were seeded to win. Indiana (7) beat Gonzaga (10) and lost to UCLA (2). They did what they were supposed to do. Purdue (9) beat Arizona (8) and lost to Florida (1). They exceeded their seeding. Michigan State (9) beat Marquette (8) and lost to North Carolina (1). Again exceeded expectations. Illinois (12) lost to Virginia Tech (5) as they were expected to based on seeding. So we have 2 teams that followed seeding to form, 2 that beat a higher seeded team, 1 team that was upset, and 1 team still playing. To me, Wisconsin is the only team that did not live up to their seeding. And I'll echo that the Brian Butch injury hurt them alot. Update- Buckeyes did indeed live up to their seeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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