dmarc117 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 Been plenty of people murdered in the name of Jesus. amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 and allah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 and apparently white women http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/stor...5001021,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I'm speaking of the general downfall in society. Latch-key kids grow up without any direction when they are home alone for hours on end. They will naturally lose their own way without the guidance provided by a parent. It doesn't mean a spree killing, but I firmly believe these children are hurt way more than they are helped by both parent's working simply to provide Little Jimmy with anything he wants, the new minivan and 2 extra spare bedrooms. I wasn't talking about your comments Tim, and not having children myself, I'm not sure I'm able to comment. Although, since you bring it up, I think that you're probably making a real broad generalization, not only about the degree to which parents who work leave their kids "alone", but also as to why both parents work in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Indeed, although I'm not sure what's worse: divorce or two parents who constantly fight raising a child under the same roof. Very true. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I don't think so. I firmly believe the downfall of society is directly related to both parents working in order to have their new car, their big house, meet their career goals, etc, etc at the sacrifice of the children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trrhyne Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 School alienation / bullyingDay care / parents working TV violence Video game violence General culture coarsening Instant gratification No time for the kids No fault culture I think all of these can be mitigated by good parenting. I am around lots of kids and lead many kid's organizations and what I typically see from the bad behaving kids is that the parents don't put forth the effort to hold the kids accountable. They simple do whatever is easiest to pacify their kid for that moment so that they are not inconvenienced. I've seen it this way for single parents, stay at home parents, and dual income parents. This is not meant to be an all inclusive statement, but it has been a regular observation of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 who spends more time with kids that are school age .... parent or teacher..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I don't think so. I firmly believe the downfall of society is directly related to both parents working in order to have their new car, their big house, meet their career goals, etc, etc at the sacrifice of the children. i agree with the red neck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 I don't think so. I firmly believe the downfall of society is directly related to both parents working in order to have their new car, their big house, meet their career goals, etc, etc at the sacrifice of the children. keeping up with the joneses def responsible for this. once you have kids, life changes. your priorities should change as well. many people dont adjust and the kids suffer. these kids then make us suffer in the future. many of the problems can be dealt with by good parenting, bottom line. granted there are always a few bad apples that cant be saved. its amazing how many stupid, unqualified parents are out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 (edited) It all started with the break down of the family unit. We no longer have a solid family at home with Mom dedicated taking care of the home and raising the children. Even in today's homes where there are two parents the children are very often an after thought. Parents are more concerned about making money and advancing their careers and having kids seemed like the right thing to do as part of that plan. Parents don't want to be bothered with raising their children, it is easier to pawn them off to a day care and let them raise them. Discipline is a thing of the past, again, because it is too hard. Because of the lack of structure, rules, discipline you now have kids having kids and things just get worse. In America today it is all about doing what feels good for you, everybody else be damned. Today's child is becoming much less accountable for his actions until the actions are so severe as to warrant police intervention. Its only going to get worse. Edited April 17, 2007 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Its only going to get worse. i agree with that part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Love is the most powerful force in the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I think all of these can be mitigated by good parenting. I am around lots of kids and lead many kid's organizations and what I typically see from the bad behaving kids is that the parents don't put forth the effort to hold the kids accountable. They simple do whatever is easiest to pacify their kid for that moment so that they are not inconvenienced. I've seen it this way for single parents, stay at home parents, and dual income parents. This is not meant to be an all inclusive statement, but it has been a regular observation of mine. Good info here. My little list was intended for discussion - I completely agree that good parenting cures pretty much everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Love is the most powerful force in the universe. i agree with that 2 my SBE with 3 1/2 inch turkey loads aint bad ether Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 i agree with that 2 my SBE with 3 1/2 inch turkey loads aint bad ether You're way tougher than I am, lol. 3 inch is all I care to handle anymore. (And yesterday was a perfect turkey day. Lots of action and gobblin' but no luck yet.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 You're way tougher than I am, lol. 3 inch is all I care to handle anymore. (And yesterday was a perfect turkey day. Lots of action and gobblin' but no luck yet.) my wife shoots 3 1/2's from my mossberg, girly man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I don't think so. I firmly believe the downfall of society is directly related to both parents working in order to have their new car, their big house, meet their career goals, etc, etc at the sacrifice of the children. I would accept your premise if it had ANYTHING to do with the situation that happened yesterday. I have no idea what drove this kid to do this. I am making assumptions that there was a degree of systematic abuse heaped on him by someone in his life beginning at a young age. Again, what you are saying in the above is true, but I bet it has nothing to do with this situation, nor is it reflective of the vast majority of intentions of families where both parents work. We (collectively) are going to be heaping blame and excuses for this. It's inevitable that we will look for an explanation for things that are extremely random events that we have difficulty understanding on any kind of level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 This is bu||sh!t. There are millions upon millions of examples of kids who don't go on spree killings that had two working parents growing up. You dumbass. This is one of those "sub-conversations" that sprung up from my comment: What's the difference in the student-teacher and/or parent-child dynamic that is responsible for this? which came from Keg's progressive observation: consequences, unfortunately it seems like todays youth has no clue what they are school fighting seems to just keep manifesting as time goes by... there used to be fist fights then there were gang fist fights then the knife was something that you had to be scared of in a fight now you have to be scared if you look at someone cross for fear that they will shoot you without even thinking about it Nobody was trying to directly correlate this individual instance with chocolate chip cookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Worth noting that it's a relatively new phenomenon (post-1966)...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Worth noting that it's a relatively new phenomenon (post-1966)...... yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 But if you kill in the name of Jesus, it's ok. You won't go to hell or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Back on subject...Our local radio host here in Richmond was arguing to provide professors and such with gun training and let them keep guns in their desk. I kid you not. It'd be like an arms race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Back on subject...Our local radio host here in Richmond was arguing to provide professors and such with gun training and let them keep guns in their desk. I kid you not. It'd be like an arms race. My reaction to that is exactly the same as the "guns in the cockpit" idea - hell, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 this thing is quickly downgrading to very simplistic gun control debates across many talk radio shows. one side wants to ban all guns and the other wants to arm more good people with guns to be ready for when chit like this goes down. then it breaks down into a liberal/conservative thing about guns and the shows spin their wheels on this for a few days. i want to know what motivated this kid and brought him to the place where he could do such a horrible thing. maybe the root cause of his anger may shine some light on something systemic that we all could use to learn from, but i suspect that this kid is the result of the unique combination of his personal upbringing, his dna, the circumstances leading up to yesterday, and a reaction that may or may not have been repeated if the situation played out multiple times. it's not a very sexy discussion, so it won't be had, and it probably would not do any good anyway. we can't set up our laws, processes, and rule systems based on eliminating the possibility that someone may snap like this - it is just not practical. it is just a sad, unfortunate, crazy situation ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.