Scorcher Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Please go to yahoo and read the story about the killing of one of the last Amur leapards. I don't know how to post links. This kind of thing infuriates me. I've never understood killing an animal simply for being what it was. This situation is even more disgusting because it was killed on April 15th or 16th and left dead. The stupid jerk that killed it didn't even take it for a trophy. Hunters like this one serve no purpose other than to anihilate what future genrations might enjoy. They devalue the diversity of what is nature. Why do people feel the urge to destroy living creatures for simply being what evolution decides what they will be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070423/sc_nm/russia_leopard_dc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 What if it was killing his livestock which he uses to feed his family? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 What if it was killing his livestock which he uses to feed his family? or myabe he was killing unborn babies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 What if it was killing his livestock which he uses to feed his family? There are other methods of removing the animal than killing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 What if it was killing his livestock which he uses to feed his family? This is a good point and one that those of us who live in suburbia don't think about. If this were the situation I would think that responsible environmentalists in that country, when it gets down to 7 females would have recognized the situation and dealt with it, instead of waiting to see what happens. It's just another example of proactive vs reactive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 There are other methods of removing the animal than killing it. Yeah, I bet the wild of the old ussr are just crawling with animal mgmt types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 Yeah, I bet the wild of the old ussr are just crawling with animal mgmt types. Of course there isn't but there were alot of things that the USSR wasn't cognisant of that they are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 "Leopard murder can only be provoked by cowardice or stupidity, in this case most likely by both," Pavel Fomenko, WWF's biodiversity coordinator in Russia's Far East said in a statement. Biodiversity coordinator? What in the Seven Hells is a Biodiversity coordinator? And I can think of a few reaosn to kill a leopard other than cowardice or stupidity. Of course, if the leopard happened to be attacking a person, Mr. Fomenko would probably blame the human for invading its environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 (edited) "Leopard murder can only be provoked by cowardice or stupidity, in this case most likely by both," Pavel Fomenko, WWF's biodiversity coordinator in Russia's Far East said in a statement. Biodiversity coordinator? What in the Seven Hells is a Biodiversity coordinator? And I can think of a few reaosn to kill a leopard other than cowardice or stupidity. Of course, if the leopard happened to be attacking a person, Mr. Fomenko would probably blame the human for invading its environment. This is a good point as well as some others. If the Amur Leapard was attacking livestock or a human being then it was justified. If it was tracked down into it's natural habitat and destroyed then it was wrong. Destroying a creature for simply living in it's own environment is wrong! Edited April 23, 2007 by Scorcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 "Leopard murder can only be provoked by cowardice or stupidity, in this case most likely by both," Pavel Fomenko, WWF's biodiversity coordinator in Russia's Far East said in a statement. Biodiversity coordinator? What in the Seven Hells is a Biodiversity coordinator? And I can think of a few reaosn to kill a leopard other than cowardice or stupidity. Of course, if the leopard happened to be attacking a person, Mr. Fomenko would probably blame the human for invading its environment. You seem to have read the article, yet you ignored this portion - "Amur leopards have not been know to attack humans." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 You seem to have read the article, yet you ignored this portion - "Amur leopards have not been know to attack humans." +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 The Amur leopard is particularly vulnerable in the Russian Far East, where farmers raise captive deer for human consumption and to produce antlers for the Asian medicine market. Deer are the natural predatory preference for leopards, and in absence of wild prey, leopards venture into the deer farms in search of food. Owners of these farms are quick to protect their investment by eliminating leopards attacking their stock. Presently, the Amur leopard’s most immediate threat comes from such retaliatory or preventive killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 3.1 Historic and present status of the Amur leopard The Amur leopard is the most northerly leopard of the 8 leopard subspecies. Its former range included South Sikhote Alin, Korea and large parts of China where it connected with other leopard subspecies to the west and south. The population became isolated from other subspecies in China during the previous century. The Amur leopard was already very rare when it received full protection in Russia in the late sixties (although animals continued to be caught for zoos). In the seventies the Russian population had fragmented into 3 separate, small populations. Two of them blinked out and at present the only remaining population is that of SW Primorye (the population inhabits an area of approximately 3000 square kilometres along the borders with China and North Korea)xxi. This process of fragmentation and subsequent local extinction (illustrated in figure 8) is in fact a typical extinction pattern of a (sub)species. A positive aspect is, however, that the remaining population in SW Primorye appears to have been stable during 30 years at a level of 30 – 50 leopards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 this particular leopard was profiled on planet earth just last night. Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 (edited) Monitoring results show that tiger numbers in SW Primorye increased substantially in recent years: tiger population estimates for SW Primorye rose from from 2-3 in the early seventies to 16-20 in 2003xlvi. The relations and inter-species competition between Amur tigers and leopards are still poorly understood and as a result the impact of this increase on the Amur leopard population is not exactly known. It is certain that tigers and leopards shared the forests in the south of Primorski Krai when Russian settlers arrived in the nineteenth century, but the relations and competition between tigers and leopards may since have changed due to human factors. An indication that this may be the case is that leopards disappeared from Sikhote Alin when at the same time the tiger made a spectacular come back in the southern part of Sikhote Alin where tigers had become locally extinct. Leopards were reportedly relatively common in some parts in the south of Sikhote Alin (such as the Ussurisk zapavednik) previous to the return of tigers in the sixties and seventies of the previous century. In India it has been observed that leopards become rare in areas where tigers reach high densities. In many reserves where tigers reached high densities in the well protected core area after protection improved in the seventies, leopards only manage to survive in the fringes, where the density of large ungulates is low (often due to competition with cattle and goats), and the habitat is degraded due to livestock grazing and collection of fire-wood. These leopards live in close proximity to people, and livestock (e.g. dogs and goats) often forms their staple diet. The above can be summed up as follows. The increase in tiger numbers indicates that their are a number of favourable conditions for tigers in SW Primorye from which leopards may benefit as well. However, the increase of tigers in itself is “bad news” for leopards, although the the extent and nature of the negative impact on the leopard population remains unknown. Only direct threats that play a role for both Amur tigers and Amur leopards are presented in figure 14. As a result, two threats that are particular for the leopard are not included. The most striking one is the increase of Amur tiger numbers in SW Primorye. Edited April 23, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 What if it was killing his livestock which he uses to feed his family? The article is short on detail but it's written in a fashion that indicates that it was a poaching incident. I don't know, maybe there wasn't a farm in the vicinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Humans are bad for any animal species. I root for nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 The article is short on detail but it's written in a fashion that indicates that it was a poaching incident. I don't know, maybe there wasn't a farm in the vicinity. Right, cause poachers just leave the dead animals. I kill pests all the time, think nothing of it, and leave their remains for nature to take care of. Beavers and squirrels mainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Right, cause poachers just leave the dead animals. No, because the article stated specifically that the animals were hunted in the first sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Right, cause poachers just leave the dead animals. I kill pests all the time, think nothing of it, and leave their remains for nature to take care of. Beavers and squirrels mainly. The articles that I posted snippets from said that the poaching usually occurs as the leopards are trying to raid the domestic herds. That's probably why the cat was beaten to death and left intact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 i bet it was realy a yeti that was attacking the herds and the cat has gotten all the blame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Humans are bad for any animal species. I root for nature. +1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 i bet it was realy a yeti that was attacking the herds and the cat has gotten all the blame... +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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