Another Experts Draft Results - PPR League

[Sleeping King]

You think Hackett will be the teams number 1 WR?

 

 

Absolutely. I love Branch but you are what you are. He was a good player in NE and he is a good player now but to think that all of a sudden after 5 seasons he will blow past career highs of 998 and 5 is a bit optomistic.

 

Hackett has more potential than Branch he just needs the chance.

[Doc Holliday]

Absolutely. I love Branch but you are what you are. He was a good player in NE and he is a good player now but to think that all of a sudden after 5 seasons he will blow past career highs of 998 and 5 is a bit optomistic.

 

Hackett has more potential than Branch he just needs the chance.

 

 

 

I see Hackett doing well too. I just wanted to hear what you said about it. but the reason I think he does so well is because Branch will catch the double teams. I would not be suprised see him get 900 yards..maybe even 1000 if he plays all 16. I can just see Branch doing 1200 next year if he is healthy all 16 games.

[DMD]

Absolutely. I love Branch but you are what you are. He was a good player in NE and he is a good player now but to think that all of a sudden after 5 seasons he will blow past career highs of 998 and 5 is a bit optomistic.

 

Hackett has more potential than Branch he just needs the chance.

 

 

 

I would respectively disagree. Hackett only has 73 caches for 1010 yards in his first three seasons combined. Branch played for the Patriots who never use any single wideout much and yet still had seasons of 57-803 and 78-998. Hackett was drafted at the end of the 5th round in 2004 as the 20th best wideout and never even played in his rookie season. He was only pressed into duty last year because of injuries to Jackson and Burleson. Branch was a second rounder who had 43 carches for 489 yards in his rookie season.

 

Branch was acquired by the Seahawks at the start of last season and did not start until week six because he had to learn the offense from scratch right when the season started. His first start resulted in 6-76 and two touchdowns. He was already two full years behind Hackett in learning the offense. To be honest, I am a little surprised that the Seahawks are comfortable going with Hackett as a #2 wideout because I am not sure he is good enough for a starting role even if it is as the #2.

 

Here are Hackett's numbers from 2006

 

1 @DET 1-14

6 @STL 3-66

7 MIN 4-37

8 @KC 3-25, 1

9 OAK 4-58

10 STL 3-20

11 @SF 2-19

12 GB 5-67, 1

13 @DEN 1-13

14 @ARI 4-104, 1

15 SF 8-87

16 SD 3-37

17 @TB 4-63, 1

 

Week 14 was an abberation since he caught a 47 yard pass and two 23 yard catches which almost entirely came in one series. His numbers were inflated in the final 4 games by those soft games against ARZ and SF.

 

I just do not see whatever it is that makes anyone think that Hackett can be a #1 in SEA even if he gets the advantage of secondaries more into covering Branch (who will be playing Jackson's old position and the one that Hackett was playing in the final four weeks. If you want to compare, you have to take into account that Branch assumes the flanker spot this year and leaves Hackett for the split end. Hackett will be playing a new position and being a starter for only the 5th game of his career when the season starts.

[Sleeping King]

So you would say the upside of Branch is what? 1100 and 7?

 

S.Moss has had 2 seasons better than that.

DJax has had 4 better

And as far as taking a chance on upside Edwards has more than any of them.

[piratesownninjas]

So you would say the upside of Branch is what? 1100 and 7?

 

S.Moss has had 2 seasons better than that.

DJax has had 4 better

And as far as taking a chance on upside Edwards has more than any of them.

 

+1

[Randall]

I would be very happy getting picking at 12 and seeing Rudi Johnson,Ronnie Brown and Clinton Portis out there for me to choose from.

 

 

 

Last year I picked 12th and took Rudi and SJax(before the coaching change). It wasn't known whether he could make it through a season injury free.

 

Portis would be sweet at that spot too.

[Bronco Billy]

Round One

1.02 1. Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB Wed May 16 12:32:54 p.m. ET 2007

1.02 2. KFFL Johnson, Larry KCC RB Wed May 16 1:02:14 p.m. ET 2007

1.03 3. Fanball Jackson, Steven STL RB Wed May 16 1:02:23 p.m. ET 2007

1.04 4. CBS Gore, Frank SFO RB Wed May 16 1:02:38 p.m. ET 2007

1.05 5. FootballDiehards.com Addai, Joseph IND RB Wed May 16 1:03:08 p.m. ET 2007

1.06 6. Fantasy Index Bush, Reggie NOS RB Wed May 16 1:03:39 p.m. ET 2007

1.07 7. The Huddle Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Wed May 16 1:03:39 p.m. ET 2007

1.08 8. Footballinjuries.com Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Wed May 16 1:04:56 p.m. ET 2007

1.09 9. Yahoo! Sports Maroney, Laurence NEP RB Wed May 16 1:05:31 p.m. ET 2007

1.10 10. FantasyGuru.com Henry, Travis DEN RB Wed May 16 1:06:01 p.m. ET 2007

1.11 11. Fantasy Sports Magazine Parker, Willie PIT RB Wed May 16 1:06:11 p.m. ET 2007

1.12 12. Foxsports Johnson, Rudi CIN RB

 

Round Two

2.01 13. Foxsports Manning, Peyton IND QB Wed May 16 1:06:52 p.m. ET 2007

2.02 14. Fantasy Sports Magazine McGahee, Willis BAL RB Wed May 16 1:06:59 p.m. ET 2007

2.03 15. FantasyGuru.com Brown, Ronnie MIA RB Wed May 16 1:08:05 p.m. ET 2007

2.04 16. Yahoo! Sports Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB Wed May 16 1:09:17 p.m. ET 2007

2.05 17. Footballinjuries.com Portis, Clinton WAS RB Wed May 16 1:09:59 p.m. ET 2007

2.06 18. The Huddle Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB Wed May 16 1:11:05 p.m. ET 2007

2.07 19. Fantasy Index James, Edgerrin ARI RB Wed May 16 1:11:36 p.m. ET 2007

2.08 20. FootballDiehards.com Johnson, Chad CIN WR Wed May 16 1:12:03 p.m. ET 2007

2.09 21. CBS Holt, Torry STL WR Wed May 16 1:13:04 p.m. ET 2007

2.10 22. Fanball Harrison, Marvin IND WR Wed May 16 1:13:54 p.m. ET 2007

2.11 23. KFFL McAllister, Deuce NOS RB Wed May 16 1:14:30 p.m. ET 2007

2.12 24. Thomas Smith, Steve CAR WR Wed May 16 1:14:46 p.m. ET 2007

 

Round Three

3.01 25. Thomas Benson, Cedric CHI RB Wed May 16 1:16:21 p.m. ET 2007

3.02 26. KFFL Jones, Thomas NYJ RB Wed May 16 1:16:54 p.m. ET 2007

3.03 27. Fanball Owens, Terrell DAL WR Wed May 16 1:17:47 p.m. ET 2007

3.04 28. CBS Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB Wed May 16 1:18:08 p.m. ET 2007

3.05 29. FootballDiehards.com Barber, Marion DAL RB Wed May 16 1:18:46 p.m. ET 2007

3.06 30. Fantasy Index Wayne, Reggie IND WR Wed May 16 1:19:08 p.m. ET 2007

3.07 31. The Huddle Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR Wed May 16 1:19:33 p.m. ET 2007

3.08 32. Footballinjuries.com Williams, Roy DET WR Wed May 16 1:21:05 p.m. ET 2007

3.09 33. Yahoo! Sports Green, Ahman HOU RB Wed May 16 1:21:19 p.m. ET 2007

3.10 34. FantasyGuru.com Johnson, Andre HOU WR Wed May 16 1:21:46 p.m. ET 2007

3.11 35. Fantasy Sports Magazine Williams, Carnell TBB RB Wed May 16 1:22:05 p.m. ET 2007

3.12 36. Foxsports Lewis, Jamal CLE RB Wed May 16 1:22:27 p.m. ET 2007

 

Round Four

4.01 37. Foxsports Moss, Randy NEP WR Wed May 16 1:23:03 p.m. ET 2007

4.02 38. Fantasy Sports Magazine Walker, Javon DEN WR Wed May 16 1:23:59 p.m. ET 2007

4.03 39. FantasyGuru.com Colston, Marques NOS WR Wed May 16 1:26:06 p.m. ET 2007

4.04 40. Yahoo! Sports Boldin, Anquan ARI WR Wed May 16 1:26:27 p.m. ET 2007

4.05 41. Footballinjuries.com Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR Wed May 16 1:28:15 p.m. ET 2007

4.06 42. The Huddle Peterson, Adrian MIN RB Wed May 16 1:28:34 p.m. ET 2007

4.07 43. Fantasy Index Evans, Lee BUF WR Wed May 16 1:29:08 p.m. ET 2007

4.08 44. FootballDiehards.com Driver, Donald GBP WR Wed May 16 1:29:28 p.m. ET 2007

4.09 45. CBS Gates, Antonio SDC TE Wed May 16 1:29:52 p.m. ET 2007

4.10 46. Fanball Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB Wed May 16 1:31:09 p.m. ET 2007

4.11 47. KFFL Taylor, Fred JAC RB Wed May 16 1:31:50 p.m. ET 2007

4.12 48. Thomas Palmer, Carson CIN QB Wed May 16 1:32:47 p.m. ET 2007

 

Round Five

5.01 49. Thomas Ward, Hines PIT WR Wed May 16 1:35:28 p.m. ET 2007

5.02 50. KFFL Brady, Tom NEP QB Wed May 16 1:35:44 p.m. ET 2007

5.03 51. Fanball Burress, Plaxico NYG WR Wed May 16 1:36:48 p.m. ET 2007

5.04 52. CBS Bulger, Marc STL QB Wed May 16 1:38:38 p.m. ET 2007

5.05 53. FootballDiehards.com Coles, Laveranues NYJ WR Wed May 16 1:38:48 p.m. ET 2007

5.06 54. Fantasy Index Brees, Drew NOS QB Wed May 16 1:39:12 p.m. ET 2007

5.07 55. The Huddle Branch, Deion SEA WR Wed May 16 1:39:48 p.m. ET 2007

5.08 56. Footballinjuries.com Moss, Santana WAS WR Wed May 16 1:40:10 p.m. ET 2007

5.09 57. Yahoo! Sports Edwards, Braylon CLE WR Wed May 16 1:42:15 p.m. ET 2007

5.10 58. FantasyGuru.com Brown, Reggie PHI WR Wed May 16 1:43:18 p.m. ET 2007

5.11 59. Fantasy Sports Magazine Jackson, Darrell SFO WR Wed May 16 1:43:28 p.m. ET 2007

5.12 60. Foxsports Glenn, Terry DAL WR Wed May 16 1:44:26 p.m. ET 2007

 

Round Six

6.01 61. Foxsports Norwood, Jerious ATL RB Wed May 16 1:45:23 p.m. ET 2007

 

Man, this is a year to focus on something other than RB in the early rounds. There are some quality RBs going in the 3rd round or later that would make for a fine FF RB corps to pair with a couple of uber-stud WRs. This is a great year to trade out of the first round if you don't have a pick in the top 3.

 

In a start 1/4 or 2/3 flex league I'd run with RBs Portis/B Jacobs/Edge paired with AD/D Williams/Norwood and have a WR crew of S Smith with Wayne & Evans or something similar - especially if scoring is ppr. There are a lot of startable RBs on that board and there are some RBs who are going WAY too high for the projected production that owners should expect out of them.

[i_am_the_swammi]

I would be very happy getting picking at 12 and seeing Rudi Johnson,Ronnie Brown and Clinton Portis out there for me to choose from.

 

 

 

Man, this is a year to focus on something other than RB in the early rounds. There are some quality RBs going in the 3rd round or later that would make for a fine FF RB corps to pair with a couple of uber-stud WRs. This is a great year to trade out of the first round if you don't have a pick in the top 3.

In a start 1/4 or 2/3 flex league I'd run with RBs Portis/B Jacobs/Edge paired with AD/D Williams/Norwood and have a WR crew of S Smith with Wayne & Evans or something similar - especially if scoring is ppr. There are a lot of startable RBs on that board and there are some RBs who are going WAY too high for the projected production that owners should expect out of them.

 

 

 

I've been saying it in many threads...if you own pick 1.06-1.12, its time to trade down with someone who desperately wants a specific player, and add an extra 2nd-3rd round selcetion. There is so much talent in the middle of the RB pool this year, and everyone has an opinion as to how different players will perform. I've seen Maroney as high as #7, and as low as #17...Henry as high as #8, as low as #15. Ditto for guys like McGahee, Portis, Parker, Addai, Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Brown, Benson...all ranked anywhere from #6-#14, depending on which player you are talking about.

 

In a 12-team league, if I had the 1.07 pick, I think I'd look to move it with my 4th-or-5th round pick for someone else's 2nd & 3rd. There's a great chance the guy I might have taken at 1.07 will still be there early in the 2nd round...and if he's not, someone very comparable will be. And I'd get an extra 3rd rounder for my 4th or 5th rounder.

Edited May 18, 2007 by i_am_the_swammi

[Bronco Billy]

I've been saying it in many threads...if you own pick 1.06-1.12, its time to trade down with someone who desperately wants a specific player, and add an extra 2nd-3rd round selcetion. There is so much talent in the middle of the RB pool this year, and everyone has an opinion as to how different players will perform. I've seen Maroney as high as #7, and as low as #17...Henry as high as #8, as low as #15. Ditto for guys like McGahee, Portis, Parker, Addai, Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Brown, Benson...all ranked anywhere from #6-#14, depending on which player you are talking about.

 

In a 12-team league, if I had the 1.07 pick, I think I'd look to move it with my 4th-or-5th round pick for someone else's 2nd & 3rd. There's a great chance the guy I might have taken at 1.07 will still be there early in the 2nd round...and if he's not, someone very comparable will be. And I'd get an extra 3rd rounder for my 4th or 5th rounder.

 

I think the fair going price right now is a 1st & a 5th for a 2nd & a 3rd rounder. If you're good, you may be able to spare your 5th & give your 6th rounder instead, especially if you're in slot 1.10, 1.11, or 1.12 - but since there isn't much space between the picks at the corner I don't know if I'd push that issue too far.

[DMD]

I've been saying it in many threads...if you own pick 1.06-1.12, its time to trade down with someone who desperately wants a specific player, and add an extra 2nd-3rd round selcetion. There is so much talent in the middle of the RB pool this year, and everyone has an opinion as to how different players will perform. I've seen Maroney as high as #7, and as low as #17...Henry as high as #8, as low as #15. Ditto for guys like McGahee, Portis, Parker, Addai, Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Brown, Benson...all ranked anywhere from #6-#14, depending on which player you are talking about.

 

In a 12-team league, if I had the 1.07 pick, I think I'd look to move it with my 4th-or-5th round pick for someone else's 2nd & 3rd. There's a great chance the guy I might have taken at 1.07 will still be there early in the 2nd round...and if he's not, someone very comparable will be. And I'd get an extra 3rd rounder for my 4th or 5th rounder.

 

 

Trading down is not always that easy depending on the league. But this is the most fluid set of RB's that I can remember in terms of where who is going. Perhaps it will solidify up come August but there seems to be less consensus on where backs should go than ever. I think that stems from so many new starting RBs for NFL teams this year (12 and maybe as high on 16) plus 7 new HC and 15 new OC's. Last year was the return of so many top QBs from injury that it made that position more fluid. Now it is RBs going all over the place which is a great thing and gives reason to maybe not go RB-RB-RB and pass on guaranteed top stars in other positions.

[Bronco Billy]

Trading down is not always that easy depending on the league.

 

 

 

There you go again, alwys throwing a bucket of cold water on the fire.

 

 

 

 

Actually, I've seen more interest in that move this year than I can remember in the past. I think the guy who has one of the top 4 picks drools at seeing an opportunity to add another top 10 RB & figures that because WRs are deep that he can always add them later. It's not that bad of a strategy if you're confident enough with your drafting abilities that you know you can assemble a decent WR crew since the 4-12 QBs figure to perform at an awfully close level. You'd better not miss on either 1st round RB though, because your RB depth isn't going to be good.

 

I've already traded out of the 1st once this year in a dynasty league and have been very pleased with the results.

Edited May 18, 2007 by Bronco Billy

[Doc Holliday]

Number two receivers never outproduce number one receivers because of double teams. It's not like the number one receiver is literally double teamed and the number two is literally single teamed. At best, the number two receiver comes close to matching the number one receiver due to the extra coverage. If the number two overtakes the number one in production, the defenses change to account for it.

 

 

OK.

 

Last year I picked 12th and took Rudi and SJax(before the coaching change). It wasn't known whether he could make it through a season injury free.

 

Portis would be sweet at that spot too.

 

 

 

I lucked out and grabbed Jackson in the 11 spot in my main local and he was a goldmine.

 

The funny part is I did not want to take him because of his past injuries and expected him to be gone before I picked.but could not let him slide past pick 11 and glad I did not.

[Wolverines Fan]

I respect KFFL, but I would have taken SJax at 1.02 instead of LJ in a PPR league.

[Doc Holliday]

I respect KFFL, but I would have taken SJax at 1.02 instead of LJ in a PPR league.

 

 

 

Agreed.

[Avernus]

This is beautiful:Footballinjuries.com Westbrook, Brian

 

NO NOT ON THE SAME PAGE, Footballinjuries.com Westbrook, Brian

 

ON THE SAME PAGE?

 

WHEN WILL HE GET HURT THIS YEAR?

 

I think this is funny. When the hell isn't he hurt??

 

I think he's awesome but he only plays for half the year!!!!

 

 

you should re-check your stats...

[Avernus]

see...this is how I have my list right now....I'm just going to come with it real quick...

 

1. LT2

2. LJ

3. SJax

4. Gore

5. Bush

6. Westy

7. Addai

8. Henry

9. Portis

10. Alexander

 

the end of the list gets rough and I can see why the picks made in the late 1st and early 2nd had a few names with potential injury or RBBC....

 

but now, RBBC can be workable in fantasy, look at MJD and Bush from last year....I don't think either would have been as productive as a starter...

[Sleeping King]

see...this is how I have my list right now....I'm just going to come with it real quick...

 

1. LT2

2. LJ

3. SJax

4. Gore

5. Bush

6. Westy

7. Addai

8. Henry

9. Portis

10. Alexander

 

the end of the list gets rough and I can see why the picks made in the late 1st and early 2nd had a few names with potential injury or RBBC....

 

but now, RBBC can be workable in fantasy, look at MJD and Bush from last year....I don't think either would have been as productive as a starter...

 

 

If you take 10 RB's over Maroney you are going to be kicking yourself in the balls. In that offense he has zero chance of failing. Maroney and Addai will see less 8 man fronts than anyone in the league.

[DMD]

If you take 10 RB's over Maroney you are going to be kicking yourself in the balls. In that offense he has zero chance of failing. Maroney and Addai will see less 8 man fronts than anyone in the league.

 

 

Maroney had three seperate injuries last year in part-time duty and even had shoulder surgery in the off-season that was described as being more "significant" than they expected. Given that and his running style, isn't it a risk to take him as an RB1 knowing that he had numerous durability issues last year, had surgery in the offseason that was never even admitted by the team and now expects to be a full-time back? And you can never know for sure if he is going to even play week to week because of the deceptive practices of the team and how they refuse to offer any information including making a mockery of the injury report?

 

He is good - no doubt. The Pats offense should really click this year. But pinning your precious #1 draft pick on him is much more risky in my opinion than you obviously believe. If that means Maroney won't make it onto any of my teams, then so be it.

[RazorsEdg]

I think Branch could have a big year.I really liked the Kitna pick,I am putting all my faith in him this year.I believe he is going to be a top 3 Qb this year.

[Sleeping King]

Maroney had three seperate injuries last year in part-time duty and even had shoulder surgery in the off-season that was described as being more "significant" than they expected. Given that and his running style, isn't it a risk to take him as an RB1 knowing that he had numerous durability issues last year, had surgery in the offseason that was never even admitted by the team and now expects to be a full-time back? And you can never know for sure if he is going to even play week to week because of the deceptive practices of the team and how they refuse to offer any information including making a mockery of the injury report?

 

He is good - no doubt. The Pats offense should really click this year. But pinning your precious #1 draft pick on him is much more risky in my opinion than you obviously believe. If that means Maroney won't make it onto any of my teams, then so be it.

 

 

4. Gore

5. Bush

6. Westy

7. Addai

8. Henry

9. Portis

10. Alexander

 

Which of these does not have durability concerns?

 

If the Pats thought his shoulder was a huge concern why would they have Sammy Morris as the backup? New England was 4th in the NFL in rushing touchdowns last year and they should be significantly better on offense. Last year teams could gear up to stop the run because the Pats did not have a deep threat to stretch the field. Obviously that has changed. If you expect most teams to double Moss or at least roll coverage towards him then there is no way they can have eight in the box. If they do Brady will lead the league in touchdowns.

 

There is zero chance I would take Henry, Portis or Alexander over him.

[DMD]

4. Gore

5. Bush

6. Westy

7. Addai

8. Henry

9. Portis

10. Alexander

 

Which of these does not have durability concerns?

 

If the Pats thought his shoulder was a huge concern why would they have Sammy Morris as the backup? New England was 4th in the NFL in rushing touchdowns last year and they should be significantly better on offense. Last year teams could gear up to stop the run because the Pats did not have a deep threat to stretch the field. Obviously that has changed. If you expect most teams to double Moss or at least roll coverage towards him then there is no way they can have eight in the box. If they do Brady will lead the league in touchdowns.

 

There is zero chance I would take Henry, Portis or Alexander over him.

 

 

viva la difference...

 

But don't let your avatar blind you to the situation you can get into once the season starts and Maroney becomes a weekly fixture on the inury report without being able to know if you can safely start him or not. Again - he has the talent and the situation. I just see more risk than you because of the team he plays for not allowing any reliable information on injuries to be disseminated in any way if they can help it. And according to the only year that Maroney has ever played, he was injured most of the year with various dings that impacted his ability to run.

 

Have at - I would much rather have several other backs than him if only because of the risk factor that I see.

[The Wolf]

viva la difference...

 

But don't let your avatar blind you to the situation you can get into once the season starts and Maroney becomes a weekly fixture on the inury report without being able to know if you can safely start him or not. Again - he has the talent and the situation. I just see more risk than you because of the team he plays for not allowing any reliable information on injuries to be disseminated in any way if they can help it. And according to the only year that Maroney has ever played, he was injured most of the year with various dings that impacted his ability to run.

 

Have at - I would much rather have several other backs than him if only because of the risk factor that I see.

 

 

+1

 

It's my experience (and I am sure others as well) that you cannot win the championship in the first round...but you certainly can lose one. Forget homerism and draft the best player.

[Avernus]

If you take 10 RB's over Maroney you are going to be kicking yourself in the balls. In that offense he has zero chance of failing. Maroney and Addai will see less 8 man fronts than anyone in the league.

 

 

I have Maroney in a keeper and if there's one thing I know.....NE runs RBBC......I am still thinking about keeping him, but I'll put RB's ahead of him that see more primary carries...

[Avernus]

Maroney had three seperate injuries last year in part-time duty and even had shoulder surgery in the off-season that was described as being more "significant" than they expected. Given that and his running style, isn't it a risk to take him as an RB1 knowing that he had numerous durability issues last year, had surgery in the offseason that was never even admitted by the team and now expects to be a full-time back? And you can never know for sure if he is going to even play week to week because of the deceptive practices of the team and how they refuse to offer any information including making a mockery of the injury report?

 

He is good - no doubt. The Pats offense should really click this year. But pinning your precious #1 draft pick on him is much more risky in my opinion than you obviously believe. If that means Maroney won't make it onto any of my teams, then so be it.

 

 

I concur with this....I've been trying to trade Maroney in my keeper because of fear...

[Randall]

Maroney had three seperate injuries last year in part-time duty and even had shoulder surgery in the off-season that was described as being more "significant" than they expected. Given that and his running style, isn't it a risk to take him as an RB1 knowing that he had numerous durability issues last year, had surgery in the offseason that was never even admitted by the team and now expects to be a full-time back? And you can never know for sure if he is going to even play week to week because of the deceptive practices of the team and how they refuse to offer any information including making a mockery of the injury report?

 

He is good - no doubt. The Pats offense should really click this year. But pinning your precious #1 draft pick on him is much more risky in my opinion than you obviously believe. If that means Maroney won't make it onto any of my teams, then so be it.

 

 

 

I can't see drafting any Pats player other than Brady anymore. With the way they manipulate injury reports it's just too maddening.