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Through much advice and computer work :D im now ready to release my :D Early Bird Player Tiers

 

Now, i know the Huddle will release these for $$$ , but im really wanting to make my own. So, what do ya'll think? Any help would be greatly appreciated !! :doh:

 

 

Early Bird Player Tiers

 

Quarterbacks

 

1st Tier

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis - 6

Carson Palmer, Cincinnati - 5

Tom Brady, New England - 10

 

2nd Tier

Drew Brees, New Orleans - 4

Marc Bulger, St. Louis - 9

Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia - 5

 

3rd Tier

Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle - 8

Matt Leinart, Arizona - 8

Michael Vick, Atlanta - 8

Tony Romo, Dallas - 8

Jon Kitna, Detroit - 6

 

4th Tier

Vince Young, Tennessee - 4

Jay Cutler, Denver - 6

Brett Favre, Green Bay - 7

Philip Rivers, San Diego - 7

Chad Pennington, N.Y. Jets - 10

 

5th Tier

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh - 6

Eli Manning, N.Y. Giants - 9

Jake Delhomme, Carolina - 7

Steve McNair, BAL - 8

 

Running Backs

 

1st Tier

LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego (Michael Turner, San Diego) - 7

Steven Jackson, St. Louis - 9

Larry Johnson, Kansas City - 8

 

2nd Tier

Frank Gore, San Francisco - 6

Joseph Addai, Indianapolis - 6

Brian Westbrook, Philadelphia (Correll Buckhalter) - 5

Clinton Portis, Washington (Ladell Betts) - 4

 

3rd Tier

Shaun Alexander, Seattle - 8

Travis Henry, Denver (Mike Bell)- 6

Willie Parker, Pittsburgh - 6

Laurence Maroney, New England - 10

Reggie Bush, New Orleans - 4

Willis McGahee, Baltimore - 8

 

4th Tier

Rudi Johnson, Cincinnati (Kenny Irons) - 5

Thomas Jones, N.Y. Jets (Leon Washington) - 10

Ronnie Brown, Miami - 9

Edgerrin James, Arizona - 8

Maurice Jones-Drew, Jacksonville (Fred Taylor) - 4

Cedric Benson, Chicago - 9

 

5th Tier

Cadillac Williams, Tampa Bay - 10

Deuce McAllister, New Orleans - 4

Adrian Peterson, Minnesota (Chester Taylor) - 5

Jamal Lewis, Cleveland - 7

Ahman Green, Houston - 10

Marshawn Lynch, Buffalo (Anthony Thomas) - 6

Marion Barber, Dallas (Julius Jones) - 8

Brandon Jacobs, New York Giants (Reuban Droughns) - 9

 

Wide Recievers

 

1st Tier

Chad Johnson, Cincinnati - 5

Torry Holt, St. Louis - 9

Marvin Harrison, Indianapolis - 6

Steve Smith, Carolina - 7

Terrell Owens, Dallas - 8

Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis - 6

 

2nd Tier

Roy Williams, Detroit - 6

T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Cincinnati - 5

Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona - 8

Marques Colston, New Orleans - 4

Javon Walker, Denver - 6

Randy Moss, New England - 10

 

3rd Tier

Anquan Boldin, Arizona - 8

Reggie Brown, Philadelphia (3) - 5

Santana Moss, Washington - 4

Darrell Jackson, San Francisco - 6

Andre Johnson, Houston - 10

Plaxico Burress, N.Y. Giants - 9

Donald Driver, Green Bay - 7

Hines Ward, Pittsburgh - 6

Laveranues Coles, N.Y. Jets - 10

Deion Branch, Seattle - 8

Chris Chambers, Miami - 9

 

4th Tier

Calvin Johnson, Detroit - 6

Donte Stallworth, New England - 10

Lee Evans, Buffalo - 6

Eddie Kennison, Kansas City - 8

Mark Clayton, Baltimore (3) - 8

Terry Glenn, Dallas - 8

Jerricho Cotchery, N.Y. Jets - 10

Vincent Jackson, San Diego (3) - 7

Braylon Edwards, Cleveland (3) - 7

Greg Jennings, Green Bay - 7

Bernard Berrian, Chicago - 9

 

5th Tier

Joe Horn, Atlanta - 8

Joey Galloway, Tampa Bay - 10

Devery Henderson, New Orleans (3) - 4

Muhsin Muhammad, Chicago - 9

Kevin Curtis, Philadelphia - 5

 

 

Tight Ends

Tier all by Himself

Antonio Gates, San Diego - 7

 

1st Tier

Todd Heap, Baltimore - 8

Alge Crumpler, Atlanta - 8

Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City - 8

Kellen Winslow, Cleveland - 7

Jeremy Shockey, New York Giants - 9

 

2nd Tier

Jason Witten, Dallas - 8

Vernon Davis, San Francisco - 6

Ben Watson, New England - 10

Heath Miller, Pittsburgh - 6

Chris Cooley, Washington - 4

 

3rd Tier

Dallas Clark, Indianapolis - 6

L.J. Smith, Philadelphia - 5

Randy McMichael, St. Louis - 9

Daniel Graham, Denver - 6

Bo Scaife, Tennessee - 4

Owen Dalniels, Houston - 10

 

4th Tier

Alex Smith, Tampa Bay - 10

Eric Johnson, New Orleans - 4

Desmond Clark, Chicago - 9

Marcus Pollard, Seattle - 8

 

 

Defense / Special Teams

 

1st Tier

Baltimore Ravens - 8

Chicago Bears - 9

Jacksonville Jaguars - 4

New England Patriots - 10

San Diego Chargers - 7

 

2nd Tier

Pittsburgh Steelers - 6

Denver Broncos - 6

Carolina Panthers - 7

Miami Dolphins - 9

Dallas Cowboys - 8

Philadelphia Eagles - 5

 

3rd Tier

Minnesota Vikings - 5

Oakland Raiders - 5

Atlanta Falcons - 8

New York Jets - 10

 

4th Tier

Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 10

Green Bay Packers - 7

Cleveland Browns - 7

San Francisco 49ers - 6

Seattle Seahawks - 8

 

 

Legend

(3) = 3rd year WR (golden!!)

- # = Bye Week

(Back-up RB) = player you might consider taking later in draft to "handcuff" this pick

 

 

okay so there it is! phew. :clap: please if you wouldnt quote this entire thread, because it makes the thread unbelievably loooong. :tup: so whatcha think :D:D ????

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i actually agree. i mean im a UT guy, so always a fan of benson, just seen some people not sold on him, and didnt wanna look like too much of a homer. hes right behind edge in 4th tier IMO.

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i just use tiers to sperate players within their own position. even though i may draft a 2nd tier RB over a top-tier WR, that doesn't mean henry and alexader aren't 2nd or 3rd tier RBs (which they are). it depends more on which positions are more valuable to you, nt meant to be compared to other positions.

 

i agree with the gates thing, i mean he is that good to be in a completely seperate tier. i also believe that every single FF owner knows this, at least i do :D . all the other 1st tier TEs will put up comparable numbers, but i do agree that gates will surpass all of the rest in there, i shall contemplate an addition of a 1st 1st tier. :D

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i just use tiers to sperate players within their own position. even though i may draft a 2nd tier RB over a top-tier WR, that doesn't mean henry and alexader aren't 2nd or 3rd tier RBs (which they are). it depends more on which positions are more valuable to you, nt meant to be compared to other positions.

 

i agree with the gates thing, i mean he is that good to be in a completely seperate tier. i also believe that every single FF owner knows this, at least i do :D . all the other 1st tier TEs will put up comparable numbers, but i do agree that gates will surpass all of the rest in there, i shall contemplate an addition of a 1st 1st tier. :D

 

 

 

All I know is when Menudo sees you have Rothlisberger rated so low he will come to your house and TP it.

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okay. first of all, im a big brandon jacobs fan, but marshawn is a no doubt #1 guy, who from all accounts will be able to carry load as he did in Cal. where as, jacobs is not the sure #1 (droughns) and has never been the #1 guy in his entire career. he could be a goalline HOG like crazzyy...depends though, thats why lynch > jacobs to me, slightly.

 

then, ole big ben just never has sit well with me :D . dont get me wrong he did QB a super bowl win, but i think hes a BIG product of the system. truthfully he could acquire enough points to put him in 3rd tier, but all the unvertainty with him and that new offense just doesnt put him that high up to me. especially how unbelievably inconsistant he seems with a completely dominant running game and defense.

 

just my thoughts on the two topics. i can see maybe moving bigben to mid-4th round or so, and then maybe putting jacobs in the same tier as lynch, but that would take more time/research. :D

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marshawn is a no doubt #1 guy, who from all accounts will be able to carry load as he did in Cal.

 

 

 

Wow. I heard the exact same things about Arrington when AZ drafted him.

 

No rookie is a no doubt guy. None. Ever.

 

For all we know, Lynch isn't the best rookie RB on his own team. However, you've got him in the 5th tier, which I agree is a good spot for him.

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i meant that hes a #1 on his team. in buffalo, that's gonna be >75% of their runnng game. i mean he's in my 5th tier so hes gonna be a boom/bust guy, but by no means do i mean he's the future or anything. just meant that he doesnt have competition to deal with, as jacobs does with droughns.

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i meant that hes a #1 on his team. in buffalo, that's gonna be >75% of their runnng game. i mean he's in my 5th tier so hes gonna be a boom/bust guy, but by no means do i mean he's the future or anything. just meant that he doesnt have competition to deal with, as jacobs does with droughns.

 

 

Lynch has just as legit of competion at RB with Wright being selected in the 4th round as Jacobs does with Droughns. Wright was hardly a throw-away pick and has shown that post-injury that he can still be a force in the backfield. I'd put Lynch's chances of starting over Wright or Thomas as just about the same as Jacobs starting over Droughns - highly likely but absolutely not 100% sure.

 

Again, that's my opinion and nothing more. It was just the "no doubt #1" that perked my ears up.

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Lynch has just as legit of competion at RB with Wright being selected in the 4th round as Jacobs does with Droughns. Wright was hardly a throw-away pick and has shown that post-injury that he can still be a force in the backfield. I'd put Lynch's chances of starting over Wright or Thomas as just about the same as Jacobs starting over Droughns - highly likely but absolutely not 100% sure.

 

Again, that's my opinion and nothing more. It was just the "no doubt #1" that perked my ears up.

 

I agree with you here. I've always thought that A-Train would get more carries at the beginning of the season, but as time went on, Lynch would become the main back.

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"Lynch has just as legit of competion at RB with Wright being selected in the 4th round as Jacobs does with Droughns. " **how do you figure?

 

neither wright or a-train has started soncsistently for a NFL team and produced, which gives marshawn a slightly open door.

 

then, theres the NYG. droughns on the other hand has started multiple years as a main back for the NFL and is going up against a up-and-coming back that has never carried 10 times in a single game, more or less been the dominant back.

 

this is why i think that jacobs/droughns should be slightly lower in tiers than lynch. maybe within a same 5th tier or so but lynch should def be rated higher just based on that. just my opinion though. :D

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neither wright or a-train has started soncsistently for a NFL team and produced, which gives marshawn a slightly open door.

 

well, Lynch has never played in the NFL and he hasn't produced yet. What makes you think he's the featured back above Wright and A-Train?

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the fact that theyve had announced that hes the "future of the franchise" in news conferences and that they've spent a #1 pick on him. lynch has never played in the NFL, but neither has one of his "competition" (wright). and lynch's other "competition" (a-train)is a perenial back-up and has never been able to assume a starting spot when given a chance.

 

the only thing i was tryin to say is that, even though droughns is not an elite back or anything, doesn't mean he's not quality competition (much more competition than wright and a-train). since jacob as been out of high school he has never carried the ball more than 50% of the time on his own team. and jacobs competition has started as the primary back in the NFL before.

 

so, lynch's competition is worse, which will give him an edge. also, lynch has been a primary back before and knows how to take the heavy load of carries and such. then theres jacobs, which jacobs has nver been able to consistently show he can do. this is the reason i take lynch over jacobs, even though either one of these guys will hopefully only be my 3rd RBs or so, it still is an edge for the rookie IMO.

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Okay, so as I've participatd in some mocks, done some research, and listened to a few of ya, i've made a few alterations to my tiers. how does the up-to-date ones appear?

 

you still have Adrian Peterson as the backup to Marshawn Lynch

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Okay, so as I've participatd in some mocks, done some research, and listened to a few of ya, i've made a few alterations to my tiers. how does the up-to-date ones appear?

 

 

perhaps the most insightful ranking system since the last one I saw.

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okay. sorry, my computer wasnt letting me edit my post earlier. i fixed the adrian peterson thing, and you might not think its very "insightful" :D but a good/great tiering system is a very great tool to execute a good draft. just my :D

 

but really, as people do some mocks/real drafts feel free to share your experience, and agree/disagree with my rankings, or if i should add more tiers or whatnot! thanks again. :tup:

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but really, as people do some mocks/real drafts feel free to share your experience, and agree/disagree with my rankings, or if i should add more tiers or whatnot! thanks again. :D

 

 

I disagree with Dallas Clark as a Tier 3 TE.

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as far as dallas clark goes, i just few him as a #3 or even #4 option in the passing game for peyton. where as, the rest of the 2nd tier TEs are a #2 option in the passing game behind the #1 WR. i admit that dallas could end up being a 2nd tier TE, but a top 3rd tier-er is more logical to me.

 

anyway, when dealing with TEs the difference in 2nd and 3rd tier TEs is really only 2-3 points/game. where as there's usually much more differential at other positions. so, even if dallas clark ends up being a 2nd tier guy, holding off another round or 2 to select a TE will do nothing but add more depth at other positions without sacrificing much at TE.

 

my thinking is you spend a 8th rounder on cooley then pick up a less talented 3rd WR, or other player that offers minimal depth. or, you can spend a 9th or 10th round pick on a 3rd tier TE and have at least one round earlier player depth at the most important positions, other than wasting upon a TE that wont have much difference in value in the loong run.

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ok to answer fitzgerald thing, its not a number system, the purpose of tiers is to put players with others that will produce similar stats...not about ranking 1-10. its saying that 1-6 produce similar and then 7-15 produce similar, i helps a lot so you can avoid spending too high a pick on a guy thatll produce just as much as someone in later rounds.

 

and again romo being in third tier (bottom of it) is very reachable. i tend to think hes legit (homer probably) but hey with the weapons he has and the new offense he has, he has the potential to expand on those Pro Bowl numbers. I admit he could be a top tier4 player, but i tend to think he'll put up better FF stats than most if not all the tier4 players.

 

thanks for the comments...keep em rolling :D

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