Menudo Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 (edited) Why is it that people always seem to forget about London Fletcher? Because, though good, he isn't among the elite defensive players in the NFL, in my opinion. Edited June 5, 2007 by Menudo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 When healthy, Ray Lewis is the best. Yep. Couldn't agree more. How can he not be great when he gets credit for tackles by merely jogging up to and looking into a pile of D players on top of a RB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 I think th eleague spoke for itself last year on who is currently the best defensive player (whatever that means): Jason Taylor. You cant even scheme against this guy he's so versatile. And hes the type of player you want in your locker room. For some reason Bailey and Urlacher come off as pompous d1cks and I wouldnt doubt that extends to the locker room as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Bunch of momos. You should all know Bruschi is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Although it's a meaningless argument comparing DB's to LB's, I vote for Shawne Merriman as the best in the League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 For some reason Bailey and Urlacher come off as pompous d1cks and I wouldnt doubt that extends to the locker room as well. Where in the hell did that come from? Bailey's behavior on & off the field is exemplary and he is an unquestioned leader in the clubhouse. I'll take your credibility of your comments about Taylor weighted with the comments you made about Bailey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Where in the hell did that come from? Bailey's behavior on & off the field is exemplary and he is an unquestioned leader in the clubhouse. I'll take your credibility of your comments about Taylor weighted with the comments you made about Bailey. I've always seen both Urlacher and Champ as classy both on and off the field..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 I've always seen both Urlacher and Champ as classy both on and off the field..... Far as I know Pearl's boy has avoided fights in Vegas, drive-bys in Denver, boating in Minnesota, and visiting Mike Vick's property. He's been a pretty solid guy around Denver. The only rap against Urlacher is that he might have rubbed up a little too close to Paris Hilton a few years back. In theory that could have lead to some infectious problem being spread through out the locker room, but I doubt it so his locker room presence goes unquestioned by me. As for the best defender I tend to go with the guy that causes maximun disruption in all situations. Usually that is a linebacker who can impact the run as well as reducing the time window on passing plays. I also like an intimidation factor. To me that speaks of Merriman over Urlacher as I think Merriman is a little more physical. NFL coaches however seem to disagree. They seem to place the higher premium on corners. Given that then I would take their expertise over my personal man crush on the position of L.B. and give the nod to Bailey. I have to give a bit of a shout out to impact Safeties. In the last year or two we have ample evidence of what Pittsburgh, the Colts, and the Seahawks have been able to acomplish with and without their impact Safeties both in individual games and in seasonal results. I see their Safeties as being the heart and soul of defenses that reached, or nearly so, championship levels. Thinking back on other great defenses I notice impact Safeties often being at the heart of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerwin8 Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Jason Webster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerwin8 Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 ... ok, seriously though, there are plenty of players for whom you could put up a convincing argument as the best, but I have to side with the reigning MVP. Taylor is every bit the disruptor that Merriman is, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't gotten caught using steroids yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men In Tights Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 I think the thing that is easily forgotten with LB's in general is the DL that keeps the OL off of them. When Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher both lost their DT's they weren't the best D player in the league. I am in no way saying that any of those DT's were the best D player, just saying that they helped to make those LB's even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 So, with that logic, which member of the Colts defense is "the best in the league"? Cato June? The best defender in the league is not a Colt. Colt players are not the only players in the league to have won a Super Bowl. Examples include (several of which are already mentioned in this thread) Polamalu, Lewis, Fletcher, Brooks, Lynch, etc. All that being said, Cato June is not even the best defender on the Colts. He should be ranked behind Dwight Freeney and Bob Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 All that being said, Cato June is not even the best defender on the Colts. He should be ranked behind Dwight Freeney and Bob Sanders. And he also can't be since he signed with Tampa Bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 My bias goes to guys that can bring the big hit. As they say football is a collision sport. Of course I understand that the expression, and the thinking, goes back to another time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 When he wears a Super Bowl ring, he can be considered the best in the league. Not until then. Fallacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 I think th eleague spoke for itself last year on who is currently the best defensive player (whatever that means): Jason Taylor. You cant even scheme against this guy he's so versatile. And hes the type of player you want in your locker room. For some reason Bailey and Urlacher come off as pompous d1cks and I wouldnt doubt that extends to the locker room as well. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 My bias goes to guys that can bring the big hit. As they say football is a collision sport. Of course I understand that the expression, and the thinking, goes back to another time. I also prefer the guys that bring the lumber. I'll take those guys anyday over the ones who make their rep on barking like a dog or dancing around like a Kansas City fa**ot after barely making a shoestring tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 I also prefer the guys that bring the lumber. I'll take those guys anyday over the ones who make their rep on barking like a dog or dancing around like a Kansas City fa**ot after barely making a shoestring tackle. Uh, please explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Uh, please explain? Who would have expected that from you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 I thought Rex Grossman was the best defensive player in last year's Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men In Tights Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 I also prefer the guys that bring the lumber. I'll take those guys anyday over the ones who make their rep on barking like a dog or dancing around like a Kansas City fa**ot after barely making a shoestring tackle. I agree as long as they wrap up as well and aren't standing there after "bringing the lumber" watching the RB run down field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Ridiculous.....Hands down Julius Peppers. There is no defender in the league that is game planned for more than Peppers. Peppers single-handely draws the entire side of the O line at times, and very, very few OT's can handle him one on one---maybe zero, as they say he's even stronger and just as fast this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men In Tights Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Ridiculous.....Hands down Julius Peppers. There is no defender in the league that is game planned for more than Peppers. Peppers single-handely draws the entire side of the O line at times, and very, very few OT's can handle him one on one---maybe zero, as they say he's even stronger and just as fast this year. I am a little surprised you picked a Panther as the best defensive player in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 I am a little surprised you picked a Panther as the best defensive player in the league. Even so, it's true all homerism aside-Peppers is a nightmare Blitz, run down RB's, drop back in coverage...an every down player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 (edited) Uh, please explain? There is a particular kind of two-step done by your local pufters. Has to do with a bowel impacted by your great BBQ and by the butt sex. It changes the stride of flouncers in your town. There may not be many butt pirates in your town, but the ones that you do have are hilarious. Their mannerisms were first adopted by Deion Sanders and have been adopted by many light weights since. Edited June 5, 2007 by Ditkaless Wonders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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