alexgaddis Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Or, just as probable, is that conservative white males don't have the necessary skill set to teach. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share Posted June 20, 2007 So, There are no conservative professors because institutions of higher learning have an unwritten conspiracy against conservative white males? I think that if a conservative white male wanted a job in academia, and they worked hard, and put in the years of schooling, that they could find a job. Is the unemployment line full of conservative white males with degrees suitable for a job in higher education? I don't think so. I didnt say there werent any, but the field is obviously domintated by far leftists. They are alot more likely to hire people who think like they do rather than a conservative. You dont have any problems believing that people are discriminated based on their race. Why is it such a stretch to believe that they are discriminated based on their beliefs, especially in a field of ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share Posted June 20, 2007 Or, just as probable, is that conservative white males don't have the necessary skill set to teach. Well, based on the horrfic decline of public schools in this country, they couldnt do any worse than what the liberals have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I didnt say there werent any, but the field is obviously domintated by far leftists. They are alot more likely to hire people who think like they do rather than a conservative. First off, how would they even know what your political ideology is? And secondly, by your logic, this "discrimination" would also apply in the business world as well... (do you really want to go there?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 First off, how would they even know what your political ideology is? And secondly, by your logic, this "discrimination" would also apply in the business world as well... (do you really want to go there?) i have seen so many hiring quotas for white males...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) i have seen so many hiring quotas for white males...... uh, that was sort of the whole point--if spain's logic is correct, then white males would have a built-in advantage and hence hiring quotas/affirmative action for women and minorities would be necessary to level the playing field in most of the economy. I'm wondering if that is what spain is arguing for? Edited June 20, 2007 by wiegie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) uh, that was sort of the whole point--if spain's logic is correct, then white males would have a built-in advantage and hence hiring quotas/affirmative action for women and minorities would be necessary to level the playing field in most of the economy. I'm wondering if that is what spain is arguing for? why not just hire the most qualified person for the job......and i have to say, white conservative males are usually the most qualified. so once again, like the duke kids, wcm's get screwed by lib propaganda. Edited June 20, 2007 by dmarc117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share Posted June 20, 2007 uh, that was sort of the whole point--if spain's logic is correct, then white males would have a built-in advantage and hence hiring quotas/affirmative action for women and minorities would be necessary to level the playing field in most of the economy. I'm wondering if that is what spain is arguing for? That is what we have in place now. I know in that way up in that ivory tower you arent really connected to the real world, but come on down for a second. We definitely have quotas/AA in place in major corporations today. Maybe not formally, but it is there and race/sex must always be considered in hiring. Does academia do that with political ideology? I seriously doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 A 2005 study by American and Canadian professors indicated that 72 percent of those teaching at U.S. colleges and universities identified themselves as liberal. Only 15 percent called themselves conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 That is what we have in place now. I know in that way up in that ivory tower you arent really connected to the real world, but come on down for a second. We definitely have quotas/AA in place in major corporations today. Maybe not formally, but it is there and race/sex must always be considered in hiring. Does academia do that with political ideology? I seriously doubt it. Dumbass, I know that we have such a system in place now--your comments suggest that you are in favor of such as system. And you never did answer my other question, how do academics know what the political ideology of their applicants are? (I have been on almost ten hiring committees and had no idea what the political leanings were of any of our candidates.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 A 2005 study by American and Canadian professors indicated that 72 percent of those teaching at U.S. colleges and universities identified themselves as liberal. Only 15 percent called themselves conservative. So, if you don't like it, go become a professor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Dumbass, I know that we have such a system in place now--your comments suggest that you are in favor of such as system. And you never did answer my other question, how do academics know what the political ideology of their applicants are? (I have been on almost ten hiring committees and had no idea what the political leanings were of any of our candidates.) Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Why would conservatives want to become teachers anyway? They aren't concerned about bettering society, just themselves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 So, if you don't like it, go become a professor. i state facts, not opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 i state facts, not opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) Why would conservatives want to become teachers anyway? They aren't concerned about bettering society, just themselves... a better individual makes for a better society.....and we have to offset the socialist teachings by keeping capitalism alive!!!! Edited June 20, 2007 by dmarc117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 im a fact machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Why would conservatives want to become teachers anyway? They aren't concerned about bettering society, just themselves... I was going to post this exact statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Why would conservatives want to become teachers anyway? They aren't concerned about bettering society, just themselves... I was going to post this exact statement. me 3 but no need now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 So, if you don't like it, go become a professor. so let's say spain DID go become a professor (of animal husbandry, perhaps?). that would bring his number down from 72% to, what, 71.999%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Why would conservatives want to become teachers anyway? They aren't concerned about bettering society, just themselves... I'm not all that concerned about bettering society--I just think being a professor is one of the most enjoyable jobs that there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 so let's say spain DID go become a professor (of animal husbandry, perhaps?). that would bring his number down from 72% to, what, 71.999%? So, this would be your logic for his not becoming a professor--because he wouldn't have that much of an impact anyway? That's just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I'm not all that concerned about bettering society--I just think being a professor is one of the most enjoyable jobs that there is. but by teaching you are bettering society... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 but by teaching you are bettering society... depending on what you teach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share Posted June 20, 2007 but by teaching you are bettering society... Not necessarily... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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