boat_hacked Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 well there potentially goes a source of enjoyment while working at the computer. RIAA at work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 thank yooooouu, nancy peloskins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Typical short-sighted record industry policy - letting people hear music similar to what they already enjoy for free would probably increase legal music purchases. At least it has in my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Typical short-sighted record industry policy - letting people hear music similar to what they already enjoy for free would probably increase legal music purchases. At least it has in my case. While it may be true in your case by and large that's difficult to prove overall. Boo Hoo, you guys can't get things for free that people work on to make a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 While it may be true in your case by and large that's difficult to prove overall. Boo Hoo, you guys can't get things for free that people work on to make a living. it's radio, you twit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 An internet radio owner sent me this on myspace... At today's Congressional hearing about the new rates for online radio that would essentially destroy it (as readers of this blog already know), SoundExchange, which was scheduled to receive the new royalty payments on Monday morning (since the enforcement date falls on a Sunday), made a startling statement. The SoundExchange executive promised -- in front of Congress -- that SoundExchange will not enforce the new royalty rates. Webcasters will stay online, as new rates are hammered out. Whew! I just spoke with Pandora founder Tim Westergren, who expressed relief that Pandora wouldn't have to shut down on Sunday in response to the new rates. He said, "It was getting pretty close. I always had underlying optimism that sanity was going to prevail, but I was beginning to wonder." He said everyone who called their Congress person about this should feel that they had an effect on the process: "This is a direct result of lobbying pressure, so if anyone thinks their call didn't matter, it did. That's why this is happening." The flyer DiMA distributed to Congress today probably helped a bit too, but overall, it appears Congress intervened due to pressure from web radio listeners. Funnily enough, Westergren told me this mere hours after a representative of SoundExchange told me SoundExchange told me three hours ago that the new rates are "etched in stone." That is obviously not the case. Westergren had more to say, lending insight into a process that was largely opaque to non-participants. Apparently, nobody ever thought those minimum fee per channel fees would be taken seriously. As of now, they have been taken off the table completely, saving Pandora, Live365, and other multicasters from their most imminent threat. "No one thought those per station fees were remotely rational. It only makes sense that they're being taken off the table." As for the Copyright Royalty Board? They're entirely cut out of the process, having set the rates and then refused a rehearing. Going forward without the royalties being collected, SoundExchange and webcasters will negotiate a new royalty rate with Congress looking over their shoulder -- "and last but not least, the public looking over Congress's shoulder." Alternatively, Congress now has time to consider the Internet Radio Equality Act, which would set webcaster royalties at 7.5 percent of revenue and allow them to continue operating pretty much as they have been. Either way, this is a big win for webcasters and their listeners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 While it may be true in your case by and large that's difficult to prove overall. Boo Hoo, you guys can't get things for free that people work on to make a living. Furthermore, the artists are not seeing any of the money anyways. The bands actually are for the people, not the record companies. Radio is a giant free audio billboard. My band has found listeners all over the country because of internet radio. Places we couldnt get heard at on our own. Internet Radio is a great thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 it's radio, you twit. Are you being asked to pay in order to listen to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 While it may be true in your case by and large that's difficult to prove overall. Boo Hoo, you guys can't get things for free that people work on to make a living. I think the gist of the Internet Radio Equality Act is to pay the same royalties that terrestrial radio pays... zilch. Why should Internet radio be different from terrestrial radio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Are you being asked to pay in order to listen to it? well, now i am, thanks to you, skins, the RIAA, and your incredibly shortsighted moranic ilk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 well, now i am, thanks to you, skins, the RIAA, and your incredibly shortsighted moranic ilk. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I brought this up in March and yes, I did call my Representative and Congressman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 While it may be true in your case by and large that's difficult to prove overall. Boo Hoo, you guys can't get things for free that people work on to make a living. Commercial radio doesn't serve my needs. The RIAA needs to realize that if there is a massive demand for sites like Pandora, it is probably doing something wrong. Not that that has stopped it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 The recording industry, as we know it today, is in its death throes. And it knows it. That doesn't mean that it is devoid of power, nor does it mean it will go off quietly into the night. Quite the contrary, as one can see, it is using all of its energy and resources in an attempt to prolong the existence of a paradigm in which they were not only necessary, but they also held all of the power. Once upon a time, the recording companies were a value-adding link in the artist-to-consumer chain. They facilitated the recording of the music, they pressed it onto media, and distributed it - all functions that required a lot of capital investment and were beyond the means of artists. Because they controlled this vital link in the value chain, they extracted most of the profits in the value chain. Now, that vital link isn't necessarily so vital, yet the record companies still think that they're entitled to a huge profit for being the middle man. And they're going to use all of their influence to try to preserve that. They've identified "the enemy", which is anything that is technology-related or which is outside of their control. Internet radio represents BOTH of those things, so it is obviously evil incarnate. The industry managed to get a very unfair law passed (one that essentially charged nonprofit/unprofitable internet radio stations MORE than profitable commercial regular radio stations). Choosing to not enforce those new rates is merely a gambit on their part hoping the issue will blow over in the general public's mind or a more friendly Congress will be in place at the end of '08. This is good for those of us who are rooting for the sane side, because time is on our side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 (edited) The recording industry, as we know it today, is in its death throes. And it knows it. That doesn't mean that it is devoid of power, nor does it mean it will go off quietly into the night. Quite the contrary, as one can see, it is using all of its energy and resources in an attempt to prolong the existence of a paradigm in which they were not only necessary, but they also held all of the power. Once upon a time, the recording companies were a value-adding link in the artist-to-consumer chain. They facilitated the recording of the music, they pressed it onto media, and distributed it - all functions that required a lot of capital investment and were beyond the means of artists. Because they controlled this vital link in the value chain, they extracted most of the profits in the value chain. Now, that vital link isn't necessarily so vital, yet the record companies still think that they're entitled to a huge profit for being the middle man. And they're going to use all of their influence to try to preserve that. They've identified "the enemy", which is anything that is technology-related or which is outside of their control. Internet radio represents BOTH of those things, so it is obviously evil incarnate. The industry managed to get a very unfair law passed (one that essentially charged nonprofit/unprofitable internet radio stations MORE than profitable commercial regular radio stations). Choosing to not enforce those new rates is merely a gambit on their part hoping the issue will blow over in the general public's mind or a more friendly Congress will be in place at the end of '08. This is good for those of us who are rooting for the sane side, because time is on our side. I'm down with all of that, I was just never won over by the Napster Event and the free for all culture that otherwise sane people jumped into simply because it was there. Nor am I swayed by the "sky is falling" opinions when this temporary setback for this massive market adjustment occurs. Edited July 14, 2007 by Pope Flick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Who needs internet radio anyway? GB bit torrent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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