chook Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I need Keeper advice. This will be the 9th year of this 10 team keeper leagues existence. I am questioning which 3 players to keep. Rules are simple. All Touchdowns are 6 pts 1 pt per 20 yds REC, 25 yds PASS, 15 yds RUSH Standard D/ST pts Negative points for fumbles, INTs, etc. Start QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, K, D for an 18 man roster. Each year we keep 3 players then snake draft from rounds 4 through 18 in the inverted order of finish the prior year. Which 3 players should I keep? Here is my team P. Rivers, J. Kitna, T. Romo S. Jackson, L. Johnson, L. Maroney, C. Portis, P. Holmes, M. Turner, Leon Washington M. Harrison, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, C. Chambers, J. Cotchery J. Shockey, L.J. Smith M. Stover SD Any advice is appreciated! I am scratching my head on SJ, LJ, Maroney, Portis and Harrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 SJax & LJ are forgone conclusions - you keep both of them. Then it comes down to Portis, Maroney, & Harrison. If you can only start 2 RBs, it's hard to justify keeping a bench RB and sacrificing one of the top WRs in the game, even though the RBs have better value. If you can start 3 RBs, it's still a tough call. Portis has more upside, but he has risk with Betts on the roster. Maroney doesn't have Portis' gaudy track record, but he also won't fight for carries. Both guys have injury issues. I'd put all 3 of Portis, Maroney, & Harrion out for trade offers & see what they garner. Try to trade off two of them for draft picks & keep the one that is left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 SJax & LJ are forgone conclusions - you keep both of them. Then it comes down to Portis, Maroney, & Harrison. If you can only start 2 RBs, it's hard to justify keeping a bench RB and sacrificing one of the top WRs in the game, even though the RBs have better value. If you can start 3 RBs, it's still a tough call. Portis has more upside, but he has risk with Betts on the roster. Maroney doesn't have Portis' gaudy track record, but he also won't fight for carries. Both guys have injury issues. I'd put all 3 of Portis, Maroney, & Harrion out for trade offers & see what they garner. Try to trade off two of them for draft picks & keep the one that is left. Stealing my usual line of advice... j/k Agree with BB. SJ and LJ are the easy choices. If you are unable to trade any of the others, I hold Harrison only because as much as I'd hate to let the RBs get back into the draft pool, points in your lineup are more valuable than keeping those RB points on your bench and off of your opponents lineups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chook Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 Thanks guys. I was swaying between Harrison and Maroney. Leaning toward Maroney since it is a keeper league. But I see how Harrison, LJ, and SJ would be phenominal to my starting line-up this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Thanks guys. I was swaying between Harrison and Maroney. Leaning toward Maroney since it is a keeper league. But I see how Harrison, LJ, and SJ would be phenominal to my starting line-up this year. Can you trade before you have to decide? When is your deadline for declaring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soak Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 i would keep SJax, LJ and Maroney...................BUT, I would also look to trade 1 along with marvin for peyton manning or palmer, since your format seriously favors the QBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 i would keep SJax, LJ and Maroney...................BUT, I would also look to trade 1 along with marvin for peyton manning or palmer, since your format seriously favors the QBs Care to explain the bolded statement. I see nothing in his listed scoring and lineup rules that indicates the league in anyway "seriously favors" QBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) Care to explain the bolded statement. I see nothing in his listed scoring and lineup rules that indicates the league in anyway "seriously favors" QBs Passing yardage & 6 ppTD both favor QB scoring - QBs are going to be heavy scorers in this league. WRs & TEs take the biggest hit with no ppr & the least relative value of yds amassed. Edited July 19, 2007 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Passing yardage & 6 ppTD both favor QB scoring - QBs are going to be heavy scorers in this league. WRs & TEs take the biggest hit with no ppr & the least relative value of yds amassed. You and I both know that the 6 per TD has almost no affect on overall QB value. The only thing that may boost QBs a little bit is the yardage, but I would say that the yardage rules hurt WRs more than they help the QBs, particularly as compared to RBs. It may make me consider a Manning over the tier 1 WRs if I had an early to mid 2nd rounder, but it certainly is not a "serious favoring" by any stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) Care to explain the bolded statement. I see nothing in his listed scoring and lineup rules that indicates the league in anyway "seriously favors" QBs Maybe because all tds are the same and in most leagues the points for passing yardage is less valued at least half of what rush/rec yards are given. In this league it's 25 yds passing per point and 20 rec per point and 15 rush per point. None are even double and with the amount of passing yards a player will have in comparison to the rush/rec. yds of RBs and WRs, I'm thinking that's why QBs would be favored. But again all QBs are playing under the same scoring system so I'd value them just as I would in any system. Edited July 19, 2007 by irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 You and I both know that the 6 per TD has almost no affect on overall QB value. The only thing that may boost QBs a little bit is the yardage, but I would say that the yardage rules hurt WRs more than they help the QBs, particularly as compared to RBs. It may make me consider a Manning over the tier 1 WRs if I had an early to mid 2nd rounder, but it certainly is not a "serious favoring" by any stretch. I agree with you, but the way the scoring is skewed for yardage, actual points scored will start to take hold of value significantly in this league. Unless you have Tomlinson or Jackson, I think anyone without a top 5 scoring QB is going to have a tough time putting up enough points to compete for a championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I agree with you, but the way the scoring is skewed for yardage, actual points scored will start to take hold of value significantly in this league. Unless you have Tomlinson or Jackson, I think anyone without a top 5 scoring QB is going to have a tough time putting up enough points to compete for a championship. Would be interesting to run some numbers on... I don't have the time to right now, but maybe later on.... simple comparison of say the top 25 overall value players under a "traditional" system of 4 per passing TD and rush/rec yardage at 1 per 10. Other factors staying the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Would be interesting to run some numbers on... I don't have the time to right now, but maybe later on.... simple comparison of say the top 25 overall value players under a "traditional" system of 4 per passing TD and rush/rec yardage at 1 per 10. Other factors staying the same. Here's what I get for top 25 in a QB 4/20 & RB/WR 6/10 system, with no ppr & -1 for all TOs: Rank Pos Player 1 RB LaDainian Tomlinson 2 RB Steven Jackson 3 RB Larry Johnson 4 RB Frank Gore 5 RB Brian Westbrook 6 RB Willie Parker 7 RB Joseph Addai 8 RB Travis Henry 9 RB Shaun Alexander 10 RB Rudi Johnson 11 RB Reggie Bush 12 RB Maurice Jones-Drew 13 RB Laurence Maroney 14 QB Peyton Manning 15 RB Clinton Portis 16 RB Brandon Jacobs 17 RB Cedric Benson 18 WR Chad Johnson 19 WR Steve Smith 20 WR Reggie Wayne 21 RB Edgerrin James 22 RB Willis McGahee 23 WR Torry Holt 24 WR Marvin Harrison 25 RB Ronnie Brown Here's what I get in the system above: Rank Pos Player 1 RB LaDainian Tomlinson 2 RB Larry Johnson 3 RB Steven Jackson 4 RB Willie Parker 5 RB Frank Gore 6 QB Peyton Manning 7 RB Joseph Addai 8 RB Brian Westbrook 9 RB Shaun Alexander 10 RB Rudi Johnson 11 RB Travis Henry 12 RB Laurence Maroney 13 RB Maurice Jones-Drew 14 RB Brandon Jacobs 15 RB Clinton Portis 16 RB Reggie Bush 17 QB Carson Palmer 18 RB Cedric Benson 19 QB Tom Brady 20 RB Willis McGahee 21 RB Edgerrin James 22 WR Chad Johnson 23 RB Thomas Jones 24 WR Reggie Wayne 25 RB Ronnie Brown Brees is at #27 and Bulger is at #31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I agree with you, but the way the scoring is skewed for yardage, actual points scored will start to take hold of value significantly in this league. Unless you have Tomlinson or Jackson, I think anyone without a top 5 scoring QB is going to have a tough time putting up enough points to compete for a championship. in my local...the scoring favors RB's who catch and QB's who are top 5... now, the team that won had a mediocre QB...but had Gore, Bush, Portis, Boldin, Gonzo, KWII etc. etc.....this was the deepest 'freak' team.... of the 3 other teams that made it had, they had either Bulger and one team had Brees and Manning.....the other teams QB doesn't come to mind and the dominant teams usually have top QB's because the passing TD's escalate due to distance... and just being 6 pts per TD...this is a factor, even if average QB's can put up numbers... if you have a top QB with this scoring...it does manage to make a difference... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chook Posted July 20, 2007 Author Share Posted July 20, 2007 Over the past 9 years that this league has been in existance I have done very well. Mainly focusing on keeping running backs year after year. Then establishing a recieving corp. The QB position has not been my focus. Unless I can obtain Peyton, all the other QBs are not as consistant. I had a dominating season last year. I did have SJ, LJ, Harrison, and Housh but I won the league with Rivers, Romo, and Kitna as my Qbs. The year prior to I finished 2nd with Favre and Brad Johnson. The QB is an afterthought in my draft Strategy. Is it suggested that I should change my draft strategy to RB QB WR ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Over the past 9 years that this league has been in existance I have done very well. Mainly focusing on keeping running backs year after year. Then establishing a recieving corp. The QB position has not been my focus. Unless I can obtain Peyton, all the other QBs are not as consistant. I had a dominating season last year. I did have SJ, LJ, Harrison, and Housh but I won the league with Rivers, Romo, and Kitna as my Qbs. The year prior to I finished 2nd with Favre and Brad Johnson. The QB is an afterthought in my draft Strategy. Is it suggested that I should change my draft strategy to RB QB WR ? That would completely depend on what QBs were available at what time. If Manning is there in the mid 3rd, then sure take him, or Palmer in the mid 4th, sure, take him, great values at that spot. Beyond that, no need to push up when to draft a QB as you would still get a solid consistent performer using your 5th/6th round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Weasel Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 People saying that the scoring for QB's doesn't make a difference are not thinking it through. True, they all score the same, but the more friendly the QB scoring is, the farther away the top ones will be from the rest of the pack. This goes the same for all positions. I'll give an extreme example, to show what I mean... For all positions, scoring is: 1pt per TD 1pt per 1000 yards rushing 1pt per 1 yard receiving 1pt per 1 yard passing Yes, call me an overexaggerater, but it makes a point. Would a RB even be drafted in the first few rounds in this format? Well, perhaps Westbrook and Bush would make it. In your scoring format, WR's are devalued, and QB's should be given extra consideration. I'd love the value of Bulger/Kitna in your league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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