detlef Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 DMD has Schaub going for 230 and 2 TDs, WW has him as a bench. Tell you what, I would not be pissed if my QB got me 230 and 2 TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primetime9287 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 DMD has Schaub going for 230 and 2 TDs, WW has him as a bench. Tell you what, I would not be pissed if my QB got me 230 and 2 TDs. What would be the point of a start/bench then if they were the same? Wouldnt you be smart enough to look at the game prediction/projections and know whether to start them or not? I use them both as a tool to look at different opinions from "experts" and get their input and any additional info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeteebee Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Maybe they are assuming that you also have Romo on your roster and that his 290/3 would be a better play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 What would be the point of a start/bench then if they were the same? Wouldnt you be smart enough to look at the game prediction/projections and know whether to start them or not? I use them both as a tool to look at different opinions from "experts" and get their input and any additional info. I think his point is simply that they are completely different. One person says start... other says bench.... So what does that mean for us? Well, it means form your own opinion, and dont listen to their advice... So whatd be the point of coming here to get their opinions? Its just from one extreme to the other... Not very consistent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 It has always been so. Two cowboys, each with thier own lives, only coming together on rare occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 It has always been so. Two cowboys, each with thier own lives, only coming together on rare occasions. Brokeback Mountain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I use them both as a tool to look at different opinions from "experts" and get their input and any additional info. +1 If they disagree, that only means there is an element of doubt, which should play into your decision making. It would be quite lame if DMD and Whit had all the same opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Brokeback Mountain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I think his point is simply that they are completely different. One person says start... other says bench.... So what does that mean for us? Well, it means form your own opinion, and dont listen to their advice... So whatd be the point of coming here to get their opinions? Its just from one extreme to the other... Not very consistent... It's called forming your own opinion based on the varying opinions that you've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 It's called forming your own opinion based on the varying opinions that you've read. I thought that was what the forums were for... heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Since the two pieces are done completely separate from each other, that it took five weeks into the season to see something that seems significantly different is more of a surprise it took so long than it is a lack of a cohesive message. We both obviously have our reasons for what we expect but in the instance where we do not agree, that too says something about the game/player. Obviously projecting numbers and predicting performances is an exact science anyway, so what would the value of having two independently created views be if they just always agreed with one another? I for one enjoy when we disagree because we can learn more how the season is evolving for teams. Of course this happens at least occasionally every season and it always will because we do not consult one another about every game though we will sometimes discuss games and players when there are big questions. I think a difference of opinion is healthy and of value, not a mixed message. We may discuss one game or so a week and this week was the CAR-NO game. Our discussions usually end with "thanks... I can't quit you." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 +1 If they disagree, that only means there is an element of doubt, which should play into your decision making. It would be quite lame if DMD and Whit had all the same opinions. It's called forming your own opinion based on the varying opinions that you've read. This is exactly how I look at the thing. I Read each, sift through what's offered, then formulate an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Just posted a thread a few hours ago similar to this on wr lance moore for saints Prediction : 60 yards and td Start bench list : his name is not even listed ...nothing Certainly its expected to have some varying degrees of opinion and it could be healthy but when the opinions are day and night like the above example I don't think its good imho We look to get advice and some direction at times and when instead we get complete confusion and total difference in opinion then I don't think it helps one bit ...just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 Since the two pieces are done completely separate from each other, that it took five weeks into the season to see something that seems significantly different is more of a surprise it took so long than it is a lack of a cohesive message. We both obviously have our reasons for what we expect but in the instance where we do not agree, that too says something about the game/player. Obviously projecting numbers and predicting performances is an exact science anyway, so what would the value of having two independently created views be if they just always agreed with one another? I for one enjoy when we disagree because we can learn more how the season is evolving for teams. Of course this happens at least occasionally every season and it always will because we do not consult one another about every game though we will sometimes discuss games and players when there are big questions. I think a difference of opinion is healthy and of value, not a mixed message. We may discuss one game or so a week and this week was the CAR-NO game. Our discussions usually end with "thanks... I can't quit you." With all due respect, this is just the first time I bothered to write about it, not the first time I noticed it. I'm also not pointing out a situation where you say the guy should put up solid numbers and WW is giving the guy an "S3" or even an "X", which would imply he'd just as soon as start someone else but wouldn't bother hitting the waiver wire if that guy was his only option. I understand that, ultimately, I need to make my own decision based on the info and that you guys don't always share the same opinion. I too, can do the math and decide, assuming I agree with the projections, whether that means I should start or bench a player. So what's the point of Start/Bench? It does, however, sort of undermine the utility of your pay-site to be selling advice that is diametrically opposite from one day to the next. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 With all due respect, this is just the first time I bothered to write about it, not the first time I noticed it. I'm also not pointing out a situation where you say the guy should put up solid numbers and WW is giving the guy an "S3" or even an "X", which would imply he'd just as soon as start someone else but wouldn't bother hitting the waiver wire if that guy was his only option. I understand that, ultimately, I need to make my own decision based on the info and that you guys don't always share the same opinion. I too, can do the math and decide, assuming I agree with the projections, whether that means I should start or bench a player. So what's the point of Start/Bench? It does, however, sort of undermine the utility of your pay-site to be selling advice that is diametrically opposite from one day to the next. That's all. Both pieces are just one man's opinion. Neither should be taken as gospel. I think most people absorb all the info they can from this site and other sources of information. So if DMD's opinion matches the start/bench that may reinforce your opinion and if they disagree then in those situations you have to think a little harder. But i think you can handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I look at advice to see if they agree with me... if neither agree with me, then I will maybe look deeper into my decision....if one agrees, then I consider the options and likely do what I feel... if both agree...it's pretty much because the player is a stud anyways, so that player is an auto-start... I just want to see another's opinion more than anything and to see if they agree with me.... they advice on this site isn't a guideline of who I am going to start and bench.....it's just an opinion.... the waiver-wire article is more-so geared to what you might want to consider....but it's really a reminder of who is out there and what I may have overlooked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I've posted this many times before, and I'll post it again. Again, this is nothing more than how I have come to utilize these tools over the years. The predictions are a measure of what the player is capable of doing, essentially taking out the elements of risk, varying game conditions, etc. In other words, al lelse being equal, through intense study and computations, DMD believes that player x should do this. The Start/Bench list IMO is more of a risk factor that can be associated to the prediction. In the above mentioned case with Schaub, I'd say he is a risky start for 230 and 2. The risk is that HOU is playing one of the worst rushing defenses in the league, but a team that has given up very little in terms of yardage passing (though they have been giving up the scores). This makes for a very volatile situation. HOU is certainly capable of getting a lead and running on Miami, but, with Ahman possibly out, they may stick to the pass a bit more than other teams have rather than rely on Dayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 It has always been so. Two cowboys, each with thier own lives, only coming together on REAR occasions. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice717 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 With all due respect, this is just the first time I bothered to write about it, not the first time I noticed it. I'm also not pointing out a situation where you say the guy should put up solid numbers and WW is giving the guy an "S3" or even an "X", which would imply he'd just as soon as start someone else but wouldn't bother hitting the waiver wire if that guy was his only option. I understand that, ultimately, I need to make my own decision based on the info and that you guys don't always share the same opinion. I too, can do the math and decide, assuming I agree with the projections, whether that means I should start or bench a player. So what's the point of Start/Bench? It does, however, sort of undermine the utility of your pay-site to be selling advice that is diametrically opposite from one day to the next. That's all. Before the season starts do you not go and buy a book here or there, and also sign up for this site to get opinions about players. The point of this information is one to organize your ideas and thoughts. Second, is to make educated guesses about the information presented and come up with your own idea of what is going to happen in the coming year, or in this case the coming week. If your first inclination was to start Schaub and you see 230 and 2TD and that is fine with you, go with your iintuition and start him. If your inclination was to bench him and you saw the projections for 230 and 2TD and then saw a bench I would go with my first thought and bench him. I for one like the differing opinions cause it they were the same and did everything they said what would the point of playing fantasy football. We are not robots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 This really shouldn't have to be explained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystykoekaki Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Use both as a seperate tool....please don't change a thing, I'm 4-0 and love WW start-sit the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 (edited) Use both as a seperate tool....please don't change a thing, I'm 4-0 and love WW start-sit the way it is. you just jinxed yourself... Edited October 4, 2007 by alexgaddis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Both pieces are just one man's opinion. Neither should be taken as gospel. I think most people absorb all the info they can from this site and other sources of information. So if DMD's opinion matches the start/bench that may reinforce your opinion and if they disagree then in those situations you have to think a little harder. But i think you can handle it. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesMarauders Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 (edited) Hehe Ive always used these for entertainment I already know who I should start and who I shouldn't. Just because someone puts down some projections does not mean they are correct/incorrect If you don't know who to start/bench I would love for you to join one of my money leagues Edited October 4, 2007 by MikesMarauders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Since the two pieces are done completely separate from each other, that it took five weeks into the season to see something that seems significantly different is more of a surprise it took so long than it is a lack of a cohesive message. We both obviously have our reasons for what we expect but in the instance where we do not agree, that too says something about the game/player. Obviously projecting numbers and predicting performances is an exact science anyway, so what would the value of having two independently created views be if they just always agreed with one another? I for one enjoy when we disagree because we can learn more how the season is evolving for teams. Of course this happens at least occasionally every season and it always will because we do not consult one another about every game though we will sometimes discuss games and players when there are big questions. I think a difference of opinion is healthy and of value, not a mixed message. We may discuss one game or so a week and this week was the CAR-NO game. Our discussions usually end with "thanks... I can't quit you." Okay, so which one of you is smarter then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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