Ursa Majoris Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 have been a minority in my opinion ,on the board whenever threads came up on the death penalty , but I don't believe in the death penalty and dont beleive humans have the right to kill other humans ...dont believe we have the right to play God So we shouldn't cure disease? :stirring: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 So we shouldn't cure disease? :stirring: good cast Ursa ...well played but its always about the motive ... do not believe trying to find a cure and injecting a criminal with poison has the same motive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 have been a minority in my opinion ,on the board whenever threads came up on the death penalty , but I don't believe in the death penalty and dont beleive humans have the right to kill other humans ...dont believe we have the right to play God I agree, man does not have the right to play god and determines who lives and who dies. That is exactly why when someone does premeditated murder, they should forgo their right to be alive and let the state take care of that task. Otherwise you are saying that criminals do have the right to take the life of anothe person and for that, if they are caught, they are only given further benefits from society that now must sustain the life of the criminal until they die of old age or a prison shank. I am all for proportional punishment in this sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I agree, man does not have the right to play god and determines who lives and who dies. That is exactly why when someone does premeditated murder, they should forgo their right to be alive and let the state take care of that task. Otherwise you are saying that criminals do have the right to take the life of anothe person and for that, if they are caught, they are only given further benefits from society that now must sustain the life of the criminal until they die of old age or a prison shank. I am all for proportional punishment in this sense. Okay. But would you willing to interfere with the state of New Jersey's right to makes it own call on the subject? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I agree, man does not have the right to play god and determines who lives and who dies. That is exactly why when someone does premeditated murder, they should forgo their right to be alive and let the state take care of that task. Otherwise you are saying that criminals do have the right to take the life of anothe person and for that, if they are caught, they are only given further benefits from society that now must sustain the life of the criminal until they die of old age or a prison shank. I am all for proportional punishment in this sense. No i am not saying criminals have that right at all ..murder is murder ..premedidated murder is the worst kind ..but that is what prison is for imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 What if it actually costs more to process an execution than it would to just shelf em for life? That is exactly why the criminal justice system will never do more than be an iron bar hotel and breeding ground for career criminals. Just think what you could to for an impoverished city block with the money spent on just one death row inmate who goes through appeal after appeal. What could education gain if we could direct money spent on every death row in the country to helping kids start out with a better life and improved schools? Look, everyone dies eventually. All keeping convicted murderers alive on society's dime does is redistribute money away from positive uses and creates a industry around attorneys and prison guards in exchange for making people feel better about not killing someone who, in my opinion, has forfeited the right to live away. But that's just me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Okay. But would you willing to interfere with the state of New Jersey's right to makes it own call on the subject? LOL! I went to Robert E. Lee High School and you think I have a problem with states rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 No i am not saying criminals have that right at all ..murder is murder ..premedidated murder is the worst kind ..but that is what prison is for imho See, now I don't buy that all killing is murder. Killing an innocent person is murder, sure. But killing a person that is guilty of murder is not, it is merely completing the cycle that the person him/herself initiated. It is sort of like firing someone from a business. They did whatever was wrong enough to warrant dismissal. Should the company keep them on the payroll anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Its a double edged sword unfortunately..Some people have an understandable moral issue with it. It may be a direct contradiction to your religion if you believe in the death penalty. Some people fear innocent people being put to death. Some people think of it from a financial point of view. Others think of what it would say about us as a society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 See, now I don't buy that all killing is murder. Killing an innocent person is murder, sure. But killing a person that is guilty of murder is not, it is merely completing the cycle that the person him/herself initiated. It is sort of like firing someone from a business. They did whatever was wrong enough to warrant dismissal. Should the company keep them on the payroll anyway? lol ..completing the cycle ... i think thats just a way of trying to justify that killing a person on death row is not murder in reality , it is because at the end of the day , you are taking a life willingly and knowlingly ...too much power imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 LOL! I went to Robert E. Lee High School and you think I have a problem with states rights? I don't know what you think, which is why I asked. Some death penalty advocates would like to see it mandated at a federal level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I don't know what you think, which is why I asked. Some death penalty advocates would like to see it mandated at a federal level. It is a big world and a big country and different things work better in different places. I may feel differently if I lived somewhere where the laws run very contradictory to my own beliefs but that would be more on me for living somewhere that did not reflect my views. I don't have a problem at all with people who do are against the death penalty, I respect where they are coming from even if I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I agree, man does not have the right to play god and determines who lives and who dies. That is exactly why when someone does premeditated murder, they should forgo their right to be alive and let the state take care of that task. Otherwise you are saying that criminals do have the right to take the life of anothe person and for that, if they are caught, they are only given further benefits from society that now must sustain the life of the criminal until they die of old age or a prison shank. I am all for proportional punishment in this sense. this makes no sense whatsoever. man does not have the right to play god and decide who lives and dies, so the state should? incarceration is a "benefit"? if we don't assassinate criminals, we're saying you have a "right" to murder someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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