John Carlson - Sea

[Stalking_Eagle]

Is this fella the new TE for the seahawks?

[Seahawks21]

Ummm, no?

[ABearWithFurniture]

The way players are dropping in Seattle, he's also a wide receiver and fullback...one more game should see him kicking field goals...

[PSULions]

I picked him up Saturday night when I heard that the HOU - BALT game was postponed and I needed someone to plug in my lineup for this weekend. Paid huge dividends and helped me win today! Definitely looking like a keeper...

[SheikYerbuti]

I picked him up Saturday night when I heard that the HOU - BALT game was postponed and I needed someone to plug in my lineup for this weekend. Paid huge dividends and helped me win today! Definitely looking like a keeper...

 

+1. . .except I lost with him.

 

Still, I'm thinking about dropping Owen Daniels and keeping this guy.

 

[darthvader] Impressive. . . most impressive [/darthvader]

[Rovers]

He is a good looking rookie TE, but he's the ONLY target Hasselback had this week. If and when the WR's can get healthy enoiugh to play, his numbers will drop... but I do think he;s a top 15 TE this year, and definitely a dynasty keeper.

[dirtdickens]

Picked him up because of the bye week and I am still in the hunt for a win. Loved this guy when he was with the Irish and planned on taking him late, just couldnt pass on McMichael.

[Medal of Honor]

I'd definitely pick him up, but I have Winslow, who seems to be the only star in the Cleveland offense this year.

[Chadman]

He is from my hometown, and is a great kid. He was an A+ student throughout high school, was the hardest worker on the team, his dad is a coach and he has a tremendous aptitude for what is expected of him as a person and player. It is so motivating to our young kids here in town to see him so successful - especially after the terrible season he went through at Notre Dame as a senior.

 

If any of the above "stuff" has anything to do with his future - he should be a good option for anyone - and in the type of offense they run there, he should be a continuing target even when receivers come back.

 

Way to go, John, Jr.

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I'm interested in him as well. I've already dropped Owen Daniels and feel like this guy might help shore up my TE position in a platoon with McMichaels. This may be over-simplistic, but who else does Hass have to throw to?

[MrTed46]

I'm interested in him as well. I've already dropped Owen Daniels and feel like this guy might help shore up my TE position in a platoon with McMichaels. This may be over-simplistic, but who else does Hass have to throw to?

 

I wouldnt drop Daniel Owens for Carlson

[splotchman]

I wouldnt drop Daniel Owens for Carlson

 

I had the same scenario as others with Owen Daniels as my starting TE who all of a sudden had a bye and picked up Carlson to fill the gap. I'm not dropping either of these guys yet....waiting to see if Daniels steps up and Carlson continues to the magic.

[darin3]

+1. . .except I lost with him.

 

Still, I'm thinking about dropping Owen Daniels and keeping this guy.

 

[darthvader] Impressive. . . most impressive [/darthvader]

Unless you're talking about an 8-team league, this would be a massive mistake.

 

I'm interested in him as well. I've already dropped Owen Daniels and feel like this guy might help shore up my TE position in a platoon with McMichaels. This may be over-simplistic, but who else does Hass have to throw to?

Unless you're talking about an 8-team league, that was a massive mistake.

 

I had the same scenario as others with Owen Daniels as my starting TE who all of a sudden had a bye and picked up Carlson to fill the gap. I'm not dropping either of these guys yet....waiting to see if Daniels steps up and Carlson continues to the magic.

That's probably a good idea.

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Unless you're talking about an 8-team league, that was a massive mistake.

Normal 12 team league....I just dropped a TE to pickup Warner (who went off for 360+ yards and 3 touchdowns this week). My QBs were Anderson against the Steelers and Schaub against Baltimore (or hurricane Ike as it turns out) so I thought it was a pretty safe move. Daniels 3 points the first week wasn’t going to make him a big pickup in my local. Daniels was 9th highest scoring of free agents in week 1 and 19th overall. Once they canceled the game this week I knew he’d be buried far enough down that I could still pick him up later. I’m just debating on who to grab back. Daniels or Carlson doesn’t seem as cut and dry to me but who knows. It’s still early in the year. I’ll put you down as a vote for Owen.

[Medal of Honor]

As a Seattle homer watching the post game show with Holmgren, Carlson, and some of the other guys yesterday, it is no secret that John Carlson will be more involved every week, even when Branch and Engram come back. Remember how much Hasselbeck relied on Jerramy Stevens the year they went to the Super Bowl? He hasn't had a more capable TE than John Carlson to throw to.

 

To quote Holmgren after the Sunday night game last night, "I think he's definitely become one of our weapons." That's all you need to know to pull the trigger guys. It's about him getting the looks, not if he has the ability or not.

[SheikYerbuti]

Unless you're talking about an 8-team league, this would be a massive mistake.

 

Massive?

 

I'm starting to put TE's right up there with kickers. You never get Winslow or Witten, who always get drafted WAY too early by some dope who takes a TE before he has a 2nd RB. After that, what's the difference? The point differential between Gonzo and Desmond Clark last year was what? Maybe 3 points per week?

 

I'm going to hold on to both Daniels and Carlson for now, but at the end of the year I don't expect their point differential per week to make taking one over the other a "massive" mistake.

 

I guess we'll come back to this thread in 15 weeks and see.

[bushwacked]

I'm starting to put TE's right up there with kickers. You never get Winslow or Witten, who always get drafted WAY too early by some dope who takes a TE before he has a 2nd RB.

 

In WCOFF we drafted Winslow at 4.4 and our 2nd RB in McFadden at 5.9. Despite losing Colston, we are looking at 2-0 and being the highest scoring team in our league.

[SheikYerbuti]

In WCOFF we drafted Winslow at 4.4 and our 2nd RB in McFadden at 5.9. Despite losing Colston, we are looking at 2-0 and being the highest scoring team in our league.

 

 

Oh, well if it worked for one team in one league, than I must be completely wrong.

 

 

My bad.

[bushwacked]

Oh, well if it worked for one team in one league, than I must be completely wrong.

 

 

My bad.

 

No you're right, grabbing guys like Edgerrin James, Laurence Maroney, jamal Lewis, and Willis McGahee is the smartest thing in the world to do instead of getting a guy like Witten or Winslow. We aren't all as skilled as you.

Edited September 15, 2008 by bushwacked

[SheikYerbuti]

No you're right, grabbing guys like Edgerrin James, Laurence Maroney, jamal Lewis, and Willis McGahee is the smartest thing in the world to do instead of getting a guy like Witten or Winslow. We aren't all as skilled as you.

 

 

Ain't 20/20 hindsight awesome??

 

Oh, and I'm in 4 money leagues and I don't own Edge, Maroney, Jamal, or McGahee in a single one of them.

 

And why are we talking about your team that has Winslow? This thread is supposed to be for the people who don't have a Tier 1 TE and what they should do going forward.

Edited September 15, 2008 by SheikYerbuti

[darin3]

Massive?

 

I'm starting to put TE's right up there with kickers. You never get Winslow or Witten, who always get drafted WAY too early by some dope who takes a TE before he has a 2nd RB. After that, what's the difference? The point differential between Gonzo and Desmond Clark last year was what? Maybe 3 points per week?

 

I'm going to hold on to both Daniels and Carlson for now, but at the end of the year I don't expect their point differential per week to make taking one over the other a "massive" mistake.

 

I guess we'll come back to this thread in 15 weeks and see.

Yes. Massive. Owen Daniels was the #7 TE in most leagues' scoring systems last season. You don't drop a guy like that after one week in the following season unless he's facing a season-ending injury.

 

Sorry, but the weekly difference between Gonzo and Clark was not 3 points. Gonzo was 15.5 and Clark was 8.1 Oops.

 

Daniels, FWIW, was 10.4/week using "typical" scoring. So yes, the difference between Daniels and Clark was somewhat negligible, but with the improvement that Daniels was set to make in 2008, I would guess he'd be closer to Gonzo's 2007 scoring than Clark's 2007.

 

So that, in my opinion, makes dropping Daniels after one week a massive mistake.

Edited September 15, 2008 by darin3

[SheikYerbuti]

Sorry, but the weekly difference between Gonzo and Clark was not 3 points. Gonzo was 15.5 and Clark was 8.1 Oops.

 

Are we talking PPR? In my league (which I consider standard. . .1 point per 10 yards, 6 point TD's) Gonzo averaged just over 9 points per game, and Desmond Clark averaged just over 5.

 

Hmmm.

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Meh, I took Steve Smith in the 4th round (one spot before Witten) and Winslow didn't make it back to me in the 5th. I figure it was a good pick but we'll see how it all ends up. It'll be interesting. I'm considering grabbing Owen Daniels back off the WW as I have room to drop a player and need a 2nd TE. I just thought Carlson might be a good pick in his very unique situation. I can't think of a time when 5-6 WRs have dropped hurt on a throwing team with a good QB.

[SheikYerbuti]

Just wanted to rehash this thread a little. Daniels has been a complete afterthought for the past month and Carlson has been putting up nice numbers in that time, especially since Hass has been back (no shocker there). Their upcoming schedules for the end of the season look pretty night and day as well:

 

Daniels: at Packers/vs Titans/at Raiders

 

Carlson: vs Patriots/at Rams/vs Jets

 

If Shaub wasn't coming back this week I'd make the switch for the rest of the season in a heartbeat. I'm guessing Shaub's return will be good for Daniels.

 

And as for the "massive mistake" of holding Carlson and dropping Daniels, as of week 13 their non-PPR numbers favor Daniels 72-63 fantasy points on the year. Less than a point a week.

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In all fairness, he might have been right if Schaub wouldn't have went down. Owens was on pace to be a stud early in the year. I did pick Owens back up and I've ridden him as my only TE for most of the season. Carlson got grabbed a few weeks ago, but I picked up Z. Miller this week as a spot start against SD and to see if Schaub comes back and plays well (and by "well" I mean throwing to his TE more than once a game). Schaub started the season extremely slow so I don't know how hopeful I am. And dropping Owens for Warner after that first week has saved my season without a doubt so I'd make that same move any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I still consider TE as being a bit of a secondary position. I'd take a consistent 5-8 points over a 21 point game followed by 1, 3, & 2 point games. Hopefully, Owens stays under the radar enough for me to grab him late next year (in my local at least).