ttaylor8 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Can Carson Palmer be relied on as a #1 starter this year? This is a rare scenario of an ex-star quarterback coming back after a lost season, and could be available for very cheap. If he is back to his old self, this could really change a draft/auction strategy. You could wait several rounds or set aside a very small amout of money for a starting QB, allowing you to focus on other postions. I want to believe he will be back to his old self....just not sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 The only problem with your thought is that it's shared by many, many other fantasy owners. If everyone is earmarking him as the sleeper pick, he's not going to slide too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttaylor8 Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share Posted August 6, 2009 Good point. I am in an auction league, and QB is usually my key postion. I Try to get a top 7-8 QB for $1-2, and was hoping he was that guy this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 The only problem with your thought is that it's shared by many, many other fantasy owners. If everyone is earmarking him as the sleeper pick, he's not going to slide too far. I was going to say the same thing. My rule of thumb...if I'm looking at a player, so is 75% of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttaylor8 Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share Posted August 6, 2009 So who is the QB that nobody is looking at that will end up in the top 7 or 8?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I was going to say the same thing. My rule of thumb...if I'm looking at a player, so is 75% of the league. I've been burned by that logic a few times when the entire room says "who"? and I assume the people in my draft are the same people who read the Huddle...... I've taken these players about 4 or 5 rounds earlier than I could have had them because I'm so used to posting at the Huddle... take the good with the bad, I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 No way I would touch Palmer. Not a good line, a terrible running game, and lost his favorite target. Not to mention the fact that he has looked terrible in the pocket the last two years. Without a running game or defense, the entire weight of the franchise is on his shoulders, and I personally don't think he responded well to that pressure, in fact, I think he regressed. He is going to need some help before the downfield passing game opens up again. Opposing teams know that to be successful, the Bengals have to force the ball to their WR's, so they cover them accordingly. This means tiny windows to throw the ball into. His receivers constantly have guys draped all over them. Until they get some kind of running game to challenge the defense with, there just isn't room for Palmer to consistently put up numbers. He'll have a few big games, sure, but far too often Palmer will put up the dreaded 170/0 type game. You will lose those weeks. No thank. The guys I see with upside are T. Edwards & Schaub. Maybe Garrard. I had Hasselbeck on this list a few weeks ago, but the loss of Wahle, and the change in the offensive scheme are making him admittedly a little frustrated already in camp. I've been ending up with McNabb in a lot of my mocks. He is being selected around the 8th QB or so and has top-3 type upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttaylor8 Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share Posted August 6, 2009 Schaub and McNabb are the two other guys I'm hoping will go cheaper. I guess between Schaub/Palmer/McNabb I was hoping to get a top starter cheap. That I can load up on my running backs. We are one of the few leagues that start 3 RB's and 3 WR. This year I am going to throw most of my money on RB's and go for bargains on QB and WR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I targeted both Palmer and Haselbeck in my local auction this past Saturday. Got each for 2.5% of my cap space and am very, very pleased with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) So who is the QB that nobody is looking at that will end up in the top 7 or 8?? Some possible later round options who could turn in very productive season and possibly have an outside chance of cracking the Top 10-12 QBs are: Kyle Orton, Trent Edwards, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck and David Garrard (probably won't crack the Top 10 but is being had at a terrific value). Schaub and McNabb are the two other guys I'm hoping will go cheaper. I guess between Schaub/Palmer/McNabb I was hoping to get a top starter cheap. That I can load up on my running backs. We are one of the few leagues that start 3 RB's and 3 WR. This year I am going to throw most of my money on RB's and go for bargains on QB and WR If some don't think Palmer is going to go late and be cheap, there's no way that McNabb and Schaub will be. Schaub can play like a Top 5 QB when healthy but can't seem to make it through a full season and McNabb is a Top 5-7 QB already, so he's not going to be cheap. Both have a plethora of weapons at their disposal and therefore both should post very solid numbers and be drafted as #1 QBs for any team. They are also going anywhere between rounds 5 and 7. Edited August 6, 2009 by irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfin2000 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 No way I would touch Palmer. Not a good line, a terrible running game, and lost his favorite target. Not to mention the fact that he has looked terrible in the pocket the last two years. Without a running game or defense, the entire weight of the franchise is on his shoulders, and I personally don't think he responded well to that pressure, in fact, I think he regressed. He is going to need some help before the downfield passing game opens up again. Opposing teams know that to be successful, the Bengals have to force the ball to their WR's, so they cover them accordingly. This means tiny windows to throw the ball into. His receivers constantly have guys draped all over them. Until they get some kind of running game to challenge the defense with, there just isn't room for Palmer to consistently put up numbers. He'll have a few big games, sure, but far too often Palmer will put up the dreaded 170/0 type game. You will lose those weeks. No thank. My thoughts exactly. If you don't believe it, go look at Palmer's game logs from the second half of the 2007 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 No way I would touch Palmer. Not a good line, a terrible running game, and lost his favorite target. Not to mention the fact that he has looked terrible in the pocket the last two years. Without a running game or defense, the entire weight of the franchise is on his shoulders, and I personally don't think he responded well to that pressure, in fact, I think he regressed. He is going to need some help before the downfield passing game opens up again. Opposing teams know that to be successful, the Bengals have to force the ball to their WR's, so they cover them accordingly. This means tiny windows to throw the ball into. His receivers constantly have guys draped all over them. Until they get some kind of running game to challenge the defense with, there just isn't room for Palmer to consistently put up numbers. He'll have a few big games, sure, but far too often Palmer will put up the dreaded 170/0 type game. You will lose those weeks. No thank. i painfully agree. i'd roll the dice with him since he can be had on the cheap, but i wouldn't be giddy about it and i'd probably grab my next QB in the next 1-2 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 So who is the QB that nobody is looking at that will end up in the top 7 or 8?? Sagevaris Rosenjackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTSuper7 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Names I have in mind for my locals: Sage Rosenfels (assuming he wins the camp battle, he can be had REAL cheap, but probably doesn't have top 5 upside (but who knows...) Kyle Orton (game manager type QB who commits few turnovers changing teams to pass happy offense coming from NE. Gaffney knows the offense, Royal should improve in year 2, and Scheffler can be reliable when healthy. For where he's going in drafts, should be a nice value.) Trent Edwards (T.O. impact and another year in the scheme could boost his numbers nicely. A total roll of the dice though.) Jason Campbell (would never feel good with him as my QB1, but is in a contract year, has young receivers Thomas and Kelly that should improve this year, already has reliable targets in Cooley and S. Moss, and is finally in the same offense for consecutive years - I'd take a flier on him late, though many would say his ship has sailed). Jeff Garcia (as a backup, not expecting much, but for if/where he's being drafted, could be a good matchup guy and stands to get more out of the Raider offense than we've seen in the last few years) FWIW, Kurt Warner seems to be about the 7th/8th QB drafted on average (after P. Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Romo, Rivers, and sometimes McNabb). The argument used earlier in this thread about McNabb applies to Warner IMO. One of those guys that we already know is top 8 but can easily be top 3 and would probably cost a 6th-7th rounder, so can nab 5-6 RB/WRs before taking him. Guys I'm avoiding: Romo, Matt Ryan (schedule sucks, and something tells me last year was kind of magical a la Derek Anderson's run with the Browns a couple years ago), David Garrard, Matt Cassel (unless getting sacked gives you fantasy points), Jake Delhomme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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