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I'm a big fan of blackjack. I believe that with basic strategy and good money management, you can almost always walk away from a blackjack table without losing your shirt... and often with a few dollars in your pocket.

 

But how come every time I download a blackjack game for my phone, whoever made it has apparently never been in a casino?

 

When I get a blackjack and the dealer doesn't... it pays out immediately. It doesn't push when the dealer works his way up to 21 with 3+ cards. Blackjack vs. non-blackjack = pay. That's the rule.

 

Also, when the dealer has blackjack and I don't... game over. The game shouldn't wait for me to split and double and throw a bunch more chips on the table before revealing that the dealer has had blackjack the whole time. That's how the game is played.

 

Has anyone ever seen a casino that didn't follow these rules? Is it only an American thing, and I'm downloading games based on Monaco rules? I don't get it. I've played several video game versions of blackjack that simply don't do it.

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European blackjack often doesn't deal the 2nd dealer card until all players have stood or busted, so I've heard. If that is the case, a player can't automatically win as the dealer could also have blackjack and push. Also the dealer can't know that they have blackjack and automatically win against all players (that don't have blackjack) until after they finish their hands.

 

Blackjack is kind of like poker. The value of your cards may be the same across all the different variants, but the actual play of the hand can vary from game to game based on the house rules and practices.

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Big fan of blackjack - only game where I can win & lose massive amounts quickly or let it ride the entire day and drink for free. Well, except for Pai Gow where I can play for 9+ hours and drink for free and still not have a clue how to play.

 

"You owe me quarter, you pay now TimC."

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Big fan of blackjack - only game where I can win & lose massive amounts quickly or let it ride the entire day and drink for free. Well, except for Pai Gow where I can play for 9+ hours and drink for free and still not have a clue how to play.

 

"You owe me quarter, you pay now TimC."

 

Pai Gow is the bomb.

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all casinos i've been to pay out a black jack immediately once it's established that the dealer doesn't have one.

 

Exactly.

You turn up a BJ. The dealer looks at his hole card if he has an Ace or 10 showing (he doesn't look if he has any other up card). He will call "Insurance" ONLY if he has an Ace up. If he has a 10 up and an Ace-in-the-hole, there is no insurance bet and it's a push. If he has no BJ, he pays you, and then returns to decisions of the other players clockwise rotation. Or he may wait to pay on your turn. I've seen it done both ways.

 

Those have been the rules since I started playing 30+ years ago. Never was any player or dealer allowed to "catch-up" so to speak. But I can't speak for some of the weird variations and/or off shore/European casinos.

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I've seen this game a couple of times, but have no idea how to play...

 

Twiley and I will show you how to play. Of course, you have to be massively drunk, have a roll of quarters in yer pocket and just randomly shout "Pai Gow" for no reason.

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I've seen this game a couple of times, but have no idea how to play...

 

Neither do I... yet somehow it ends in a tie like 80% of the time. Fantastic game.

 

Twiley and I will show you how to play. Of course, you have to be massively drunk, have a roll of quarters in yer pocket and just randomly shout "Pai Gow" for no reason.

 

I saw an asianed guy once say "lop lop" angrily to the dealer in pai gow. I don't know what it means, but I say it all the time now.

 

Lop lop b:tch!

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Atomic,

 

Take me off ignore and read what I posted dammit!!!! :D

 

Pai Gow is a house game. The dealer is always better than you are at picking the hands. Plus like Baccarat, very few wins, lots of pushes but it does give you table time. :D

Stick to BJ, or Craps. ONLY 2 games where the odds of winning are reasonable. Except European Roulette. Less than 4% house advantage because there is only 1 zero.

 

If you want to know the odds on the games, contact me. I have done an intense study of them all. Not bragging, but I have been going to Vegas since 1975(?). Systems... don't make me laugh! :wacko:

Don't even start me talkin' 'bout card counting! :D Too many people writing books to quash that one. The writers want you to believe and pay good money on their seminars. Total BS! the Casinos have it covered.

 

Talk to me!

rr26

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Atomic,

 

Take me off ignore and read what I posted dammit!!!! :D

 

Pai Gow is a house game. The dealer is always better than you are at picking the hands. Plus like Baccarat, very few wins, lots of pushes but it does give you table time. :D

Stick to BJ, or Craps. ONLY 2 games where the odds of winning are reasonable. Except European Roulette. Less than 4% house advantage because there is only 1 zero.

 

If you want to know the odds on the games, contact me. I have done an intense study of them all. Not bragging, but I have been going to Vegas since 1975(?). Systems... don't make me laugh! :wacko:

Don't even start me talkin' 'bout card counting! :D Too many people writing books to quash that one. The writers want you to believe and pay good money on their seminars. Total BS! the Casinos have it covered.

 

Talk to me!

rr26

 

I don't ever dream of leaving a casino a rich man. Table time is all I'm ever after. If I leave up $50-$100 I've had a spectacular casino day... but I understand that it is measured against the days that I piss away $50 and still had a good day.

 

The only "system" I believe in is basic blackjack strategy. Play in the manner that the odds dictate give you the best chance of success, and you get your money on the table when the odds are in your favor. That's it. It's not as exciting or funny as my buddy who plays with the "never bust" strategy, or my other friend who plays his gut (did he really just double-down on a 12?)... but it works for me.

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I don't ever dream of leaving a casino a rich man. Table time is all I'm ever after. If I leave up $50-$100 I've had a spectacular casino day... but I understand that it is measured against the days that I piss away $50 and still had a good day.

:wacko: This is wise. :D

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Which backwards ass Injun cheatin' casino are you playing at, CEO? You been cheated if they're letting the dealer catch up!! :wacko:

 

You have blackjack white man, let me see if I can get 21 too and we chop chop like scalp. Ooooh, 3 pretty beads...I give you Manhattan.

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I don't ever dream of leaving a casino a rich man. Table time is all I'm ever after. If I leave up $50-$100 I've had a spectacular casino day... but I understand that it is measured against the days that I piss away $50 and still had a good day.

 

The only "system" I believe in is basic blackjack strategy. Play in the manner that the odds dictate give you the best chance of success, and you get your money on the table when the odds are in your favor. That's it. It's not as exciting or funny as my buddy who plays with the "never bust" strategy, or my other friend who plays his gut (did he really just double-down on a 12?)... but it works for me.

Honestly, it was this realization that sort of killed casinos for me. That is, the realization that, ultimately, there's one and exactly one appropriate move at each situation and even still, you're not gaining an edge, rather minimizing your lack of an edge. So, in short, the only thrill at all is the thrill of getting lucky and having it work out for you. There's no personal involvement with the outcome since anyone who truly wants to win is forced into a robotic manner of playing. Again, because every situation requires a very specific move.

 

Craps is the same deal. Sure you can have fun and put your money here and there, but you'd better understand that all those extra bets are really bad pay-offs. So, there's a tax on actually interacting with the game, and that tax is crappy odds. I've actually forgotten what the one bet you're supposed to make in craps, because it's been some time since I've played.

 

I imagine that's why I never even bothered with roulette, because there was never an illusion of control, even before I learned anything about odds.

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I'm a big fan of blackjack. I believe that with basic strategy and good money management, you can almost always walk away from a blackjack table without losing your shirt... and often with a few dollars in your pocket.

 

But how come every time I download a blackjack game for my phone, whoever made it has apparently never been in a casino?

 

When I get a blackjack and the dealer doesn't... it pays out immediately. It doesn't push when the dealer works his way up to 21 with 3+ cards. Blackjack vs. non-blackjack = pay. That's the rule.

 

Also, when the dealer has blackjack and I don't... game over. The game shouldn't wait for me to split and double and throw a bunch more chips on the table before revealing that the dealer has had blackjack the whole time. That's how the game is played.

 

Has anyone ever seen a casino that didn't follow these rules? Is it only an American thing, and I'm downloading games based on Monaco rules? I don't get it. I've played several video game versions of blackjack that simply don't do it.

I guess I always thought the developers just got lazy and put in a generic rule across the board about a push. Instead of writing a specific rule for blackjack.

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