Flip_Side Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share Posted August 13, 2009 Just started creatine today. Seems like it gives you false hope, it pumps up your muscles big time during workout to make them look really swoll and then about an hour after the workout they go down to what they normally are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Diet, Diet, Diet...this is the most important if wanting to be lean. Also, don't forget some cardio 2-3 times a week for 30+ minutes. I have gone from 7% body fat to 17% and only slightly change my diet, sucks and trying to get back to low double digits is very difficult! Agreed. Man, diet is a bitch and is so important. :homerdrool: Cheese :homerdrool: What's your point? There are thousands of supplements. I suggested 3. And I don't really consider protein powder a supplement. It's a must if lifting. I'm iffy on vitamins too. If your diet is in check and you're supplementing protein shakes, you should get everything you need through your diet. It just struck me that you said you didn't believe in most supplements, and then out of the four suggestions, three were for supplements, I found hughmor in it is all. Calm down... I consider anything that you aren't getting in your normal food diet a supplement, hence protein powder. It is a supplement to your diet, as would be vitamins (again, agreed about their "effectiveness"). I will say that I felt creatine was pretty effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 It just struck me that you said you didn't believe in most supplements, and then out of the four suggestions, three were for supplements, I found hughmor in it is all. Calm down... Easy there, 'roid rager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Just started creatine today. Seems like it gives you false hope, it pumps up your muscles big time during workout to make them look really swoll and then about an hour after the workout they go down to what they normally are. u need a few days for it to get into your system. and dont do the loading stage, its bunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Easy there, 'roid rager. :flex: I'll be in Austin next Tues-Fri...just FYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share Posted August 13, 2009 u need a few days for it to get into your system. and dont do the loading stage, its bunk. What you mean loading stage? This is what I bought http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?produ...2108320.2206673 It's 2 pills before you workout a day and thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 What you mean loading stage? This is what I bought http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?produ...2108320.2206673 It's 2 pills before you workout a day and thats it. Well, in the mid to late '90s when I worked out, I would buy EAS Creatine. They suggested a "loading" phase...five servings of creatine a day for the first 5 days to get the creatine in your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 :flex: I'll be in Austin next Tues-Fri...just FYI. Can you get out here a few days early? DMD will be down here tomorrow for our mock draft / panel thingy at the Texas Testosterone Festival. Playoffs for kickball start Thursday. I can probably nail down a time to hang out with ya! Where you stayin' this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Can you get out here a few days early? DMD will be down here tomorrow for our mock draft / panel thingy at the Texas Testosterone Festival. Playoffs for kickball start Thursday. I can probably nail down a time to hang out with ya! Where you stayin' this time? I'll send ya a PM, I don't wanna sidetrack the discussion too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 What you mean loading stage? This is what I bought http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?produ...2108320.2206673 It's 2 pills before you workout a day and thats it. Well, in the mid to late '90s when I worked out, I would buy EAS Creatine. They suggested a "loading" phase...five servings of creatine a day for the first 5 days to get the creatine in your system. soup da troof. most powder mixes say to load for the 1st week. take more than normal. but your body can only use so much so the loading is overkill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Agent Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 What you mean loading stage? This is what I bought http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?produ...2108320.2206673 It's 2 pills before you workout a day and thats it. Don't buy the pills. Your body doesn't break it down as well. And you paid way too much. Just buy the powder. You might take it with juice. Some say the insulin spike helps with the transport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Easy there, 'roid rager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Don't buy the pills. Your body doesn't break it down as well. And you paid way too much. Just buy the powder. You might take it with juice. Some say the insulin spike helps with the transport. I always took it with juice or water (water is terrible as it doesnt dissolve well). The pills are crap, just get straight powder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) Really? The people at GNC told me the powder was the same thing. Both were GNC Brands for almost the same price and they told me to go with the Pills for sure. They said it's a lot easier and does the same stuff Edited August 13, 2009 by Flip_Side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Really? The people at GNC told me the powder was the same thing. Both were GNC Brands for almost the same price and they told me to go with the Pills for sure. They said it's a lot easier and does the same stuff First - GNC is way overpriced. You can get any supps, etc. for a lot cheaper online at places like bodybuilding.com or from the smaller nutrition stores that are paying millions in advertising Second - Some of the newer capsules are pretty much just as effective as the powders, and as you noted, a lot more convenient in some situations. Powder is easy if your mixing up a pre and post workout shake, but, if you're not, then a few capsules is easier. There are a lot of supps you can/should consider. Protein Creatine BCAAs are the 'staples" Then you get into Glutamine Caffeine Fish Oil Flaxseed Oil CLA Depends on your goals. And, as others have noted, without your diet in extreme check, it won;t matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share Posted August 13, 2009 I'm currrently on Whey protein, Flax seed, Multi Vitamin and Creatine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 CreamAss :flex: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Flip - one thing you didn;t mention in your initial post is what is your goal - Are you overweight, looking to drop some fat and minimize muscle loss Skinny runt looking to gain a bunch of muscle and minimize fat gain Somewhere in between That has an effect on the approach you should be taking in terms of diet, workout, supps etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) Flip - one thing you didn;t mention in your initial post is what is your goal - Are you overweight, looking to drop some fat and minimize muscle loss Skinny runt looking to gain a bunch of muscle and minimize fat gain Somewhere in between That has an effect on the approach you should be taking in terms of diet, workout, supps etc. Kinda scrawny looking to build a lot of muscle but also looking to lose a little chub/ beer belly from drinking over a year and sitting on my azz. Dunno if it matters but heres a scrawny pic a couple years back. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7492/scrawny.jpg Still look about the same Edited August 13, 2009 by Flip_Side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) Kinda scrawny looking to build a lot of muscle but also looking to lose a little chub/ beer belly from drinking over a year and sitting on my azz. Dunno if it matters but heres a scrawny pic a couple years back. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7492/scrawny.jpg Still look about the same loaf. Edited August 13, 2009 by Chief Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulzale Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I want to add that genetics is a big factor too. I will never be ripped or have a large chest/biceps etc. So I go for the cut and athletic look, which is my what my body is capable of and did I mention diet? (I keep saying this since it is the biggest factor in eliminating the beer belly and having visible abs) Diet needs to be 100% controlled when building mass and when doing a cut phase to get definition, so hard to control all the time, mmmm beer! When I was down to 7% body fat, I hadn't drank for about 3 months. I was able to maintain that for about a year with drinking about once a week here and there, but it has caught up with me, over 3 years I have added 10 lbs. all of which is body fat, still been working out, in fact way more cardio, and the alcohol and deviating from the diet here and there attribute to all of that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Kinda scrawny looking to build a lot of muscle but also looking to lose a little chub/ beer belly from drinking over a year and sitting on my azz. Dunno if it matters but heres a scrawny pic a couple years back. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7492/scrawny.jpg Still look about the same Head on over to the Huddle Weight Challenge Forum to find some great programs and nutrition information. I'd say you're a good candidate for P90X so check out that thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 Not sure if you're being serious or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Not sure if you're being serious or not He's serious, and quit calling him Shirley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Just started creatine today. Seems like it gives you false hope, it pumps up your muscles big time during workout to make them look really swoll and then about an hour after the workout they go down to what they normally are. in the past, when ive been off creatine i do not feel as strong in the gym........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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